The War Machine, and A Very Curious Silence

[Age]

But not too famous. Just the right amount of famous.

So, 'these ones' REALLY DID BELIEVE that the words 'heaven' and 'hell' was ABOUT 'them', AFTER (their) DEATH.

Even though NOT a single word was NEVER SAID in relation to 'this'.

Thus, SHOWING, IRREFUTABLY, just HOW MUCH ASSUMPTIONS and BELIEFS CAN and DID affect the way human beings LOOK AT, and then thus SEE, 'things'.

[Age]

I would love to, Age. Can we postpone the discussion for another day?

I feel like I'm in communion with the True God. If I am right and it is the True God, and if the True God is benevolent, then through my agnosticism, God is telling me to act insane. The time is just right and God has called all his lambs together to become rabbits with vicious pointy teeth!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcxKIJTb3Hg

What are you on about now this time.

What we have here is a clear demonstration of where and when BELIEF will NOT even allow one to just CHALLENGE 'another" one, let alone to CLARIFY 'things'.

I'll tell you exactly what I'm up to when I become famous.

¯\_(*_*)_/¯

But I did NOT want to know what you are 'up to'. I wanted to know what you were 'on about', 'this time', here.

[Gary Childress]

OK. OK. Let's discuss the topic of heaven and hell. You got me for now.

Lead the way, professor.

[Age]

OK. OK. Let's discuss the topic of heaven and hell. You got me for now.

Lead the way, professor.

What, EXACTLY, would you like to discuss?

But until then the two words 'heaven' and 'hell' just refer to the way human beings live 'here', on their one and only home called 'earth', in the one and only place called 'the Universe'. And, AFTER (the) DEATH of their GREEDY and SELFISH way of living, or a 'hell' like existence, then Peace and Harmony can begin, or a 'heaven' like existence starts.

The term or phrase 'afterlife' IS JUST and HAS ALWAYS JUST MEANT and REFERRED TO 'after' the 'death' of 'a way of living', or of 'a human created way of life', then a 'new beginning', can BEGIN. And the 'new way of life', AFTER the DEATH of that 'old way of living', can be and WILL BE 'heaven', like, FOREVER MORE, or ETERNALLY.

[mickthinks]

When you take a particle of what someone said out of context, and then spin it as you seem to be doing to be something other than what it (likely) was, that is also bad faith and fallacious.

Check the context, dude!

... I assume IC knows that they do exist.
You'd be surprised if he didn't? So would I. So I double-checked ...

Er ... are you trying to pass off "None of whom we can even locate" as an acceptance of White Supremacy's existence?

Heck, no.

Then it's high time you stopped prevaricating and clarified where you stand on the issue of the reality of White Supremacy in the US.

Are there White Supremacists, by that name or some other, in the US—yes, or no?

[Alexis Jacobi]

When you take a particle of what someone said out of context, and then spin it as you seem to be doing to be something other than what it (likely) was, that is also bad faith and fallacious.

Check the context, dude!

... I assume IC knows that they do exist.
You'd be surprised if he didn't? So would I. So I double-checked ...

Heck, no.

Then it's high time you stopped prevaricating and clarified where you stand on the issue of the reality of White Supremacy in the US.

Are there White Supremacists, by that name or some other, in the US—yes, or no?

Though I have my own battles with IC it is clear to me that he does not hold to a racist or racialist ideology. You’d have to present a clear statement by him to influence me.

He is extremely opposed to socialist communist and woke ideology (I share this posture generally but I would advocate for more social programs) that much is clear, and his adamancy inflects his statements, but he would have no reason to deny that there are racist people and some groups (few) as well as those who advocate for white supremacy (such as Jared Taylor and Greg Johnson). He may simply be ignorant of their existence. (I research these things so I know).

I suspect he resisted being corralled by your interrogating tone. “Get down here RIGHT NOW and answer these questions!”

[Gary Childress]

But until then the two words 'heaven' and 'hell' just refer to the way human beings live 'here', on their one and only home called 'earth', in the one and only place called 'the Universe'.

That sounds very probable to me. As far as I know, I came from nowhere before I was born. Looking into the future (without a crystal ball) when I die, I see no reason to think I will not return to that "nowhere was I" state that I now 'remember'. As far as I know, "heaven" and "hell" are what OTHER LIVING BEINGS may or may not live in AFTER I die. ...Maybe throw purgatory and every other possible place on Earth in there too. After I am dead, people will live in this world and I won't. They will experience some of the same things I experienced while I am here (or was here at that point) or they won't.

If there is a God, if there is some sort of "me" after I am gone from this world, then I don't know what it will/would be.

[trarof]

Armies exist to protect one group of people, while waging war against others. So who is the "my people" of the West? This is hard to pin-down, because the Eurocentric (Nationalistic) past blinds people to where Westerners came from, where we are now, and where we are headed. Even mentioning this, summons the rabid far-left Wokies (like mick), who want to shut down these conversations before they even start. Thus to broach the subject of Nationalism, aka. Eurocentricity, means that you are "Neo-Nazi" to the far-left. But...they're retarded and should be ignored.

So I pose the question: who is the "my people", "our team", social identity of Westerners in general?

This is complex. From the Center-Right, people instinctively associate "my people" with ethnic and racial familiarity. This is what is attacked from the Center-Left, like micky here.

So from the Center-Left, this is a reactionary social identification which poses something "greater than" ethnic, racial, familial bonds (Blood and Earth)—for example Faith, Ideology, Religion, Culture.

The Center-Right believes military and war serves the people, bound by blood.

The Center-Left believes military and war serves ideologies, political loyalties, religious affiliations.

This means Christians/Jews/Moslems, are also Center-Left, because they too put their religious affiliations before their Kin.

Notice how it is the absolute worst thing in the world, the most evil, among the center-left, to defend your own kin, your own family, your own children. You are a "Nazi" for doing so. Instead, according to them, you must serve something else—anything else. Usually, they mean serving whatever ideology they-themselves have bought into: social justice, liberalism, Judæo-Christian Zionism/Globalism, whatever. Meanwhile, the Washington DC supposed "elites" are busying ingratiating themselves, lining their own pockets, manipulating the masses through propaganda, and perpetuating the global war machines. Does anybody here really think Western governmental authorities "care" about the lives lost, the blood lost, or if things get out of hand, that the Western poor population wouldn't be conscripted, drafted, and sent to die for their greed?

The fact that there is no more "Anti-War-Leftists" should wake you all up. But most are still sleeping.

The Ukraine war is in my opinion fairly simple to understand in terms of geopolitics. Putin invaded Ukraine to expand his sphere of influence, but Ukraine has the potential to be Western sphere of influence. Also, time and again, Putin has shown himself willing to rebuild Soviet Union bit by bit, while from the Western point of view it is not a good idea to let it happen.

This is why there is support for Ukraine in the West to counter Russia - a far wider phenomenon than just a USA left versus right thing. Those who support Ukraine most are countries closest to the situation. In geopolitical terms the reasons are obvious https://www.statista.com/statistics/130 ... donor-gdp/

[Age]

But until then the two words 'heaven' and 'hell' just refer to the way human beings live 'here', on their one and only home called 'earth', in the one and only place called 'the Universe'.

That sounds very probable to me. As far as I know, I came from nowhere before I was born. Looking into the future (without a crystal ball) when I die, I see no reason to think I will not return to that "nowhere was I" state that I now 'remember'. As far as I know, "heaven" and "hell" are what OTHER LIVING BEINGS may or may not live in AFTER I die.

See, how the ACTUAL and IRREFUTABLE Truth of 'things' IS REALLY EASY and SIMPLE TO COME-TO-KNOW, and UNDERSTAND.

OBVIOUSLY, AFTER EVERY human body stops breathing and stops pumping blood the body just what is called 'decays', which, essentially, is just 'matter' changing in shape and form like 'it' ALWAYS DOES. But, the human body is NOT 'you', the 'person' NOR 'self' ANYWAY.

...Maybe throw purgatory and every other possible place on Earth in there too. After I am dead, people will live in this world and I won't.

What IS 'this world', EXACTLY?

AND, 'you', the 'person' and 'self' do NOT DIE, ANYWAY.

They will experience some of the same things I experienced while I am here (or was here at that point) or they won't.

WHO CARES and what are 'the things' that 'you' are even talking ABOUT here, ANYWAY?

ALSO, do 'those things' have ANY 'thing' to do with WORKING OUT what 'heaven' and 'hell' ARE, EXACTLY?

If yes, then HOW, EXACTLY?

If there is a God, if there is some sort of "me" after I am gone from this world, then I don't know what it will/would be.

That 'you' do NOT YET KNOW IS VERY, VERY OBVIOUS.

Though, IF 'you' WANT TO LEARN, and KNOW, then 'you' CAN.

[Wizard22]

The Ukraine war is in my opinion fairly simple to understand in terms of geopolitics. Putin invaded Ukraine to expand his sphere of influence, but Ukraine has the potential to be Western sphere of influence. Also, time and again, Putin has shown himself willing to rebuild Soviet Union bit by bit, while from the Western point of view it is not a good idea to let it happen.

This is why there is support for Ukraine in the West to counter Russia - a far wider phenomenon than just a USA left versus right thing. Those who support Ukraine most are countries closest to the situation. In geopolitical terms the reasons are obvious https://www.statista.com/statistics/130 ... donor-gdp/

Yes but Ukraine cannot defeat Russia without full Western support, and air superiority, which USA did not approve.

So that's like entering a fight with one hand tied behind your back. Geopolitical loyalties are very complex.