Peter Kropotkin wrote: ↑Mon May 13, 2024 10:36 am
K: and you seem to think that the bible is two, distinct and separate books,
with different authors, different messages and no, NO, connection with
each other... and you miss the really basic point that Jesus, of the NT
is Jewish...of which the first book of the bible, the OT is the Jewish history....
Jesus was Jewish in every way, shape and form... and if you had called
him a Christian, he would have no idea what you were talking about....
if you remove the history of the Jews, the story of the OT, in reading
the second part, the NT would make no sense of any kind....
and in removing the OT, you damage both books of the bible....
the one needs the other....
VA: Whoever is a Christian must have entered into a covenant [divine contract] with God/Jesus and obligated to comply with the terms of contract within the Gospels only and no where else, not OT, Epistles nor Acts.
Therefore the above verses from the OT are irrelevant to the essence of Christianity [Gospels only].
K: once again, acting as if the two books are totally isolated from each other...
like one had nothing to do with the other.... are you saying that the god
of the OT, is not god at all? But someone radically different? to make
that argument is to suggest that god isn't god at all because
the entire point of the bible is to suggest that there is a god and he/she/it,
is the one true god... that the god of Genesis is not the god of the NT....
and that might be the most radical theological idea I have ever heard...
VA: The overriding maxim of the Gospels of Christianity is 'love all, even enemies' 'give the other cheek and other pacifists maxims.
Whatever is relevant to Luke 19:27 cannot be condoning evil else it would be contradicting the overriding pacifist maxim.
Here is from AI [wR];
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K: the rest of this is trying to somehow, in some fashion, pretend the bible
is really only the NT, and the OT doesn't count in any, way, shape or form....
if the OT doesn't count, then the NT doesn't count either.... it is a packaged deal..
if you accept one, you have to accept the other... you can't separate them out
because it is inconvenient to your beliefs...
Kropotkin
You think you know better than God?
For the Abrahamic, there is only one God who is omnipotent, omnipresent & omniscient plus omni-whatever necessary.
God the all-powerful has His reasons why there are two main books which are distinct for the Christians. God did not combine them as 'The Bible'.
Note the supposedly 'same' God later introduced another new covenant is in the Quran.
For
Christians, note the 'Christ' in '
Christian' there is implied covenant [divine contract] between God and the Christian.
For Christianity there is the
New Contract [covenant].
I will use the terms covenant and contract interchangeably to convey its significance.
Christians view the New Covenant as a new relationship between God and humans mediated by Jesus upon sincere declaration that one believes in Jesus Christ as Lord and God.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Covenant#:
Do you understand the Principles of Contract [Covenant] Law?
The contract between a Christian and God is implied when a believer
ACCEPT [with consideration in surrendering their life] the
OFFER by God/Jesus in John 3:16.
The contract is for the Christian to be promised eternal life [salvation] in heaven in exchange for the Christian to comply with the "
terms of contract" in the New Contract.
Since it is a NEW COVENANT [the contract] the 'terms of contract' can only be in the words of Christs i.e. in the Gospels ONLY, not the Acts and Epistles which are merely
appendixes and guiding notes to the terms of contract.
Since it is a NEW COVENANT, the old Contract [re OT] is abandoned and void but the Christians use the OT as a reference where applicable to the new contract.
In a proper contract [covenant] there cannot be contradictions; there would be contradictions if the OT and Gospels were to be considered together in a contract. That would make God very stupid in contract his is claim of omnipotence and omniscience.