attofishpi wrote: ↑Mon Dec 18, 2023 4:54 am
Atla wrote: ↑Sun Dec 17, 2023 10:32 pm
Not more than I already said on this forum, for example in a thread from atto. I mean I won't. My real life experience is way outside anything you guys have encountered. Probably over 99% of people wouldn't have survived it.
You can't possibly know that your experience cannot relate to ours. ...and re 99% of people wouldn't survive your experiences, well in 2003 I hooked my Hyundai up to tubes from the exhaust pipe, drank a bottle of wine mixed with stillnox sleeping pills and gave God a decent opportunity to permit me to drop dead.
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I never told anyone about the attempt at suicide btw.
The above is likely to be related to 'spiritual emergencies'';
This article discuses about the concept of
Spiritual Emergency.
Spiritual emergencies (transpersonal crises) can occur spontaneously without any precipitating factors, or they can be triggered by emotional stress, physical exertion, disease, accident, intense sexual experience, childbirth, or exposure to psychedelic drugs.
However, in many instances the catalyzing factor seems to be involvement in various meditative practices which are specifically designed to activate spiritual energies.
To prevent misunderstanding, it is important to emphasize that not every experience of unusual states of consciousness and intense perceptual, emotional, cognitive, and psychosomatic changes falls into the category of spiritual emergency.
The concept of transpersonal crisis is not oriented against traditional psychiatry; it offers an alternative approach to individuals who can benefit from it and are capable and willing to accept it. (PsycINFO Database Record (c) 2018 APA, all rights reserved)
https://psycnet.apa.org/record/2018-26651-002
Reported cases of 'experiences of God' arose from many sources, e.g. drugs, hallucinogens, brain damage, psychiatric diseases, psychological disorders, meditation, stress, sex, magnetic triggers [God helmet], etc. and out of the blue.
In most of the above, the 'experiences of God' are reducible to neural activities i.e.
altered states of consciousness and nothing more.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altered_s ... sciousness
In the case of temporal epilepsy, patients do not experience god after being treated with the right medicines.
Ramachandran, the Temporal Lobes and God
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qIiIsDIkDtg
Dr. Persinger's God Helmet
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YPOTaUyvA0&t=2s
OBE and god-like experiences could be duplicated via the God Helmet
My stroke of insight | Jill Bolte Taylor
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyyjU8fzEYU&t=8s
Jill Bolte is a neuro-anatomists and she had experience of God [liked] upon a severe brain damage from a stroke. But she knew it has nothing to do with any existence of a real god but rather it was only due to neural activities.
Andrew Newberg: Is The Human Brain Hardwired for God?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxREBlWvxfk
Newberg tracked supposedly experiences of God to neural activities.
There are tons of research out there that support the point that the experiences of God are reducible to neural activities.
However, many are ignorant of them or choose to ignore them to cling to the idea that there is a real God out there.
When informed of the available counter explanations, some go berserk.
The point is humans are capable of experiences altered states of consciousness which could be positive [contribute to greater well being] and detrimental [spiritual emergencies], however these experiences should never be extrapolated to a hasty irrational conclusion that a real God exists objectively out there.
From the above one can generate the idea of God as a useful illusion but to
reify [
hypostatize] that idea as real is delusional which as evident is dangerous to humanity as in those evil theistic religions.