The myth of spiritual meditation practice.

[Dontaskme]

Counter-inuitive declarations.


No reasoning or philosophy required.


'Tis the myth of philosophy.

You know the story of ‘Alice in Wonderland’. The red queen has to run faster and faster to keep still where she is. That is exactly what you are all doing, running faster and faster. But you are not moving anywhere.

And is why the dogs do bark and the men do philosophy.

[Dontaskme]

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It's an anti-life meme, just seeking to recreate itself. All sorts of fluffy abstractions, and yes contradictions, denials and judgments. It's like a hallmark card of 'profundity'. Like brain fog from chemo.

The search ends with the realisation that there is no such thing as the search.
By searching, you want to be free from the self, but whatever you are doing to free yourself from the self IS the self.


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[Dontaskme]

Do you think there is any use in teachings which attempt to point to what is already here which might be overlooked? Or is it purely down to the right causes and conditions in ones life, and divine luck? For me, it was simple mindfulness which lead me to this path, and then eventually realising this path actually led back to me and to what is. I don’t think they are completely useless, but maybe also not completely effective. Though some are anti productive, many are necessary for many people who don’t happen to have such realisations through luck or chance.

Regarding meditation into the nature of self. Any use is a useless use. There's nothing to see but the seeing that cannot be seen, the observer never changes, what is looked upon is changing all the time, so the observer itself cannot be overlooked. The observer is the looking that can never be looked upon, the observer can only be known to be that which never changes, and that which never changes is unknowable by definition. And that's the divine paradox.

To question the 'sense of separation' ( the individual self ) which is an illusion, is to inquire into the nature of being.

This self inquiry turns out to be a myth. It goes nowhere, and can only lead one back to the one who questions. There are no answers to that one question simply because if there were an answer, questions would never arise. So here there can only be questions, which could only be 'one question' of which would contain all our answers.

The 'sense of self' is a known finite appearance within what is this unknowable reality. It is impossible to know the underlying fundamental nature of the universe ( the ground of all being ) because it is Infinite and the mind which is 'thought' cannot hold anything Infinite.
'Thought' is finite, and 'thought' is the creator of the thinker.

Infinite Consciousness cannot reveal anything about the nature of existence because it is not manifested and that which is manifested (known) cannot understand the unmanifested. ( the known know nothing in this context )

'The World as Will and Representation' - Schopenhauer came to the conclusion that our senses actually hide absolute reality from us, so that we can make sense of the world. In reality the whole world is an undifferentiated 'thing in and of itself. This is very similar to what was mentioned about the observer being unchanged and is a conclusion Schopenhauer reached independently, though several religious traditions like Advaita and Buddhism have been saying the same for years.

Nothing in this world can be reversed. Or rehearsed. You can't actually take back anything that you ever do. Therefore, it is obvious that No one knows anything. This is both freeing and terrifying at the same time.

All that does apparently seem to be known is through memory. Knowledge is memory, which is dead stuff. And dead stuff knows nothing. Therefore, knowledge can only point to the illusory nature of existence.

I think there must be an understanding by the mind, that the self can be observed. Once that occurs, it sets a chain in motion whereby there is an apparent splitting off of the apparent subject from its identified mind objects, a process of self negation.

This process continues, but beginning with thoughts, it sees these arise without its own intention. A process of self watching occurs. The self which it believed it was, is negated, until it’s self understanding is that of objectless subject.

When this reaches this point, it seems a kind of barrier is reached, and the self understanding of the self as being a separate causal agent seems to disintegrate.

Where formerly the point of self existence was a focussed and localised one, now the self seems to evaporate and distribute within the objects themselves, such that there is no separation between the subject and object. This was actually a kind of lens the senses were passing through, which is now changed or removed. The non dual truth was the underlying reality to begin with, and it was the belief in being a separate localised agent, which can direct attention and focus it, which was seen to be an illusion based on that lens of self and other.

So the underlying non dual reality is the underlying reality, but certain perceptual lenses seem to need disrupting and seeing as lenses.

I think THAT, is what spiritual practices are doing, or should be doing.

Life simply is, where it goes after that, who knows? and does it have to go any where? It doesn't.
We substitute existential ignorance with a mediocre truth that we objectively accept.


The problem of life is not philosophical. It is existential. You cannot solve it from the outside. You cannot just be a spectator of it.
You are in it. You are it.
And moreover, what is philosophy?
A linguistic misunderstanding. Or a linguistic analysis?
And even at it's best it leads nowhere.
Because the problem is existential and cannot be solved through language analysis and grammar.



“Reading can take you places you have never been before.”

— Dr. Seuss

[Walker]

“Reading can take you places you have never been before.”

— Dr. Seuss

Based on the evidence of your existence here, you would enjoy The Heart Sutra should you care to read. It’s well-known. Zippo even makes a lighter engraved with The Heart Sutra. Lot’s of verbal contradictions in the sutra. It explains shunyata, which is an explanation oft’ incompletely explained as emptiness, which is oft’ confused with nothingness.

[Dontaskme]

“Reading can take you places you have never been before.”

— Dr. Seuss

Based on the evidence of your existence here, you would enjoy The Heart Sutra should you care to read. It’s well-known. Zippo even makes a lighter engraved with The Heart Sutra. Lot’s of verbal contradictions in the sutra. It explains shunyata, which is an explanation oft’ incompletely explained as emptiness, which is oft’ confused with nothingness.

The 'Heart Knows' when the search is over.

[Dontaskme]

“Reading can take you places you have never been before.”

— Dr. Seuss

Based on the evidence of your existence here, you would enjoy The Heart Sutra should you care to read. It’s well-known. Zippo even makes a lighter engraved with The Heart Sutra. Lot’s of verbal contradictions in the sutra. It explains shunyata, which is an explanation oft’ incompletely explained as emptiness, which is oft’ confused with nothingness.

The verbal contradiction that everything is nothing and nothing is everything is something understood. Why, because NOTHINGNESS can never be understood.

[Walker]

It certainly can't be imagined.

[Dontaskme]

It certainly can't be imagined.

It's a concept in this imagined conception.

The act or power of forming a mental image of something not present to the senses or never before wholly perceived in reality.

The human mind is a Contarian by it's very nature.

A mental image is an image of the imageless. . except in this illusory conception.

There is nowhere in reality where I end and you begin.

[Agent Smith]

Meditation has two objectives, one is Western in character and the other is Eastern. Most great works are executed when the two are aligned.