Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Fri Mar 20, 2020 2:33 am
Age wrote: ↑Fri Mar 20, 2020 1:53 am
But I am NOT "whining
Yep. You are.
So, you sitting in front of a machine, believes it KNOWS, with absolute SURETY, what another is doing, somewhere else but unknown where on the planet, sitting in front of another machine.
I am NOT "whining". That OBVIOUSLY is just your own perception, which just as OBVIOUS may well be absolutely WRONG.
You can very rightly express what you THINK or BELIEVE is the case. But, just as obvious, is you could be obviously WRONG.
If you believe you can tell me what I am doing, and ARE RIGHT.
Then I could say, ' You are whining, about "me whining" ', and therefore I am ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. Therefore, you should STOP whining.
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Fri Mar 20, 2020 2:33 am
Age wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 5:43 pm
This is what I have said:
Besides the sexual organs of the physical body there is NO difference at all between men and women. Unless of course some thing can be shown otherwise.
Here's your classic doublespeak. The sexual organs, you say, is the difference. That makes you a sex-organ essentialist.
What is with your incessant "essentialist" believism?
I am NOT a sex-organ "essentialist".
You ARE a 'separatist' and worse still a 'religious racist separatist believist', which by all accounts is the worst and most dangerous type there is.
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Fri Mar 20, 2020 2:33 am
But then you say, "There is NO difference at all" (other than the one you already admitted, sexual organs), and this makes you somehow a "non-essentialist," you think.
No, I do NOT think this at all.
This is only what you BELIEVE is True. You do this because of the type you are. You are CLOSED off from SEEING thee actual Truth of things.
Why are you so concerned and so concentrated on this "essentialist" issue. Especially ALL you really want to do here in this thread is SHOW everyone that the idea of 'transgender' is illogical. Why do you NOT just concentrate on 'that' what you started this thread for?
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Fri Mar 20, 2020 2:33 am
If you can not make sense of this, then so be it.
It's a blatantly obvious self-contradiction, so of course no sensible person can make sense of it. That's how self-contradictions work.
Explain how what I ACTUAL wrote:
Besides the sexual organs of the physical body there is NO difference at all between men and women. Unless of course some thing can be shown otherwise.
Is supposedly a "self-contradiction".
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 6:18 pm
Do you recognize some fundamental difference between men and women?
Sure.
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Fri Mar 20, 2020 2:33 am
Age wrote: ↑Fri Mar 20, 2020 1:53 am
If yes, then what are those fundamental differences you recognize?
Oh, I'll happily tell you.
Many.
I would point out that not only physiology but also certain cognitive operations are specially masculine and feminine. Moreover, functions like reproduction undeniably are.
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Fri Mar 20, 2020 2:33 am
Age wrote: ↑Fri Mar 20, 2020 1:53 am
So you agree with the exact same thing I have said.
Wait a minute.
You said sex organs were the ONLY distinctive.
YES I DID.
Are you seriously just noticing this, just now?
I CLEARLY EXPRESSED this on page 3, and on a few other occasions.
There being ONLY one distinction can be CLEARLY SEEN and NOTICED in what I wrote on page 3.
I have been saying the EXACT SAME thing since page 3 of this thread, and NOT "just above" in the quote.
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Fri Mar 20, 2020 2:33 am
You said nothing about cognitive operations, or any other variables.
Of course NOT. This is because, as I clearly explained, there is NONE. 'Unless shown otherwise'.
Obviously YOU and no one else has yet SHOWN OTHERWISE. Therefore, there is NONE.
You really are very, very SLOW.
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Fri Mar 20, 2020 2:33 am
So it's not the "exact same thing," as anyone can see. Except you, apparently.
I have been pointing out for quite a while now YOUR WRONGS. This is just ANOTHER ONE of where you have been WRONG.
Also, are you STILL 'trying to' deflect away from your COMPLETE INCAPABILITY to even just mention one other actual thing, besides sex organs, which supposedly differentiates men from women?
Until you mention and PROVE just one other thing than sex organs, then what you have been believing is true now for many years is WRONG.
A lot of your BELIEFS are WRONG. You are just yet incapable of SEEING and UNDERSTANDING this.
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Fri Mar 20, 2020 2:33 am
Completely mystifying.
Well it should NOT BE. Considering the ACTUAL WORDS that I have been writing SINCE PAGE 3.
Nothing has changed so far in my clearly expressed views. The only real 'mystifying' thing here is that it has taken you so long to work out just this most minute and insignificant thing here, which, by the way, I CLEARLY EXPRESSED on page 3 of this thread.
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Fri Mar 20, 2020 2:33 am
I guess there has to be a certain amount of ability in basic logic in order for a conversation to go forward.
This explains PERFECTLY WHY you can NOT provide just ONE example of what you say and believe is an absolute FACT.
There is NOTHING 'logical' about what you are believing and saying here.
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Fri Mar 20, 2020 2:33 am
You can't seem to keep faith with yourself about any view for more than a couple of lines.
My VIEW has NOT changed one iota.
I have just been informing you, and the readers, where YOUR assumptions and/or beliefs have been WRONG.
What you assume and/or believe I am saying and meaning does NOT mean that you are even close to being true nor right.
You are so BLINDED by your own FAITH and BELIEFS that you really have NOT been SEEING and NOTICING what has been going on here. You are so BLIND and so CLOSED that you really do not even KNOW what has been taking place here.
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Fri Mar 20, 2020 2:33 am
And I can't bother to sort you out anymore.
The reason you do not want to so call "bother" anymore IS BECAUSE you can NOT substantiate your OWN claims here.
You are also now fearing and/or worrying about looking totally STUPID, for making the claims that you have and OBVIOUSLY which you have not and can not even back up and support.
Because I have SHOWN and PROVEN how unsound and how invalid your so called "argument" has been, and that your illogical and unreasonable BELIEFS could never be true nor right, your only way out now is to just say: "I cannot be bothered (to sort you out) anymore".
The way you are going you will NEVER sort of 'you', let alone 'Me'.