Traditional [PH] vs Deflationary 'What is Fact'

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Traditional [PH] vs Deflationary 'What is Fact'

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PH et al rely on the traditional version of 'what is fact' to deny there are no moral facts, so, morality cannot be objective.
But PH's et.-al.'s what is fact is grounded on an illusion.
Therefore PH do not have grounds to refute 'morality is objective'.

PH's traditional version of 'what is fact' postulate what is fact is a feature of reality, that is the case, a state of affairs and just-is-so that is absolutely independent of the individual's opinion, beliefs and judgments. [F1]

The never version of 'what is fact' proposed 'deflationary fact' with 'deflationary truth making'.

Here is from AI [wR];
Deflationary Facts: This is a recent idea that argues against the need for a separate entity (like a fact) to make a proposition true. The proposition itself, accurately reflecting the world, is sufficient. In simpler terms, there's no "fact behind the fact," the statement itself is the fact.
Deflationary Truthmaking: This concept focuses on the relationship between language and the world that makes propositions true. It downplays the need for a complex theory of truth-makers (entities that make propositions true). Instead, it might explain truth by analyzing how sentences or propositions connect to the world, similar to how deflationary facts work.

Here's an analogy:
• Imagine a statement like "The cat is on the mat."
o Deflationary Facts: This view says there's no separate "fact" that makes this statement true. The statement itself, accurately reflecting the cat's position, is sufficient.
o Deflationary Truthmaking: This focuses on the connection between the statement and the world. It might explain that the statement is true because the world actually has a cat on a mat, without needing a separate "fact" to mediate that connection.

Key Points:
• Both deflationary facts and deflationary truthmaking aim to simplify how we understand truth.
• Deflationary facts focus on the proposition itself, while deflationary truthmaking focuses on the relationship between language and the world.
As such from the above, the traditional 'what is fact' [F1] as insisted upon by PH is unnecessary, meaningless and illusory.

Deflationary facts [realists] still assume there is an independent objective cat and mat out there.

However, I argue the above independent 'cat' and 'mat' and 'sitting on' is meaningless unless it is conditioned within a collection of human-based Framework and Systems, e.g.
-common sense FS
-linguistic FS
-science-biology
-cognitive FS
-Emergence and realization of reality FS
-whatever necessary FS.
the cumulative of the above is a human-based FSERC.

Because it is human-based, deductively it follows, whatever the resultant [reality, cognition, knowledge or description] it CANNOT be absolutely independent of the human conditions. Thus realism[p] in this case is not tenable.

What is tenable and realistic is an antirealist [Kantian] fact [if we are still using the term fact].

What is most tenable is an antirealist [Kantian] deflationary fact.
From here, I have argued, there are objective moral facts [deflationary] therefore morality is objective in that respect.

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Re: Traditional [PH] vs Deflationary 'What is Fact'

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Notes:


Traditional Theories of Truth and Facts
Deflationism about truth, what is often simply called “deflationism”, is really not so much a theory of truth in the traditional sense, as it is a different, newer sort of approach to the topic.

Traditional theories of truth are part of a philosophical debate about the nature of a supposed property of truth.
Philosophers offering such [traditional] theories often make suggestions like the following:
--truth consists in correspondence to the facts;
--truth consists in coherence with a set of beliefs or propositions;
--truth is what is acceptable in the ideal limit of inquiry.

According to deflationists, such suggestions [of the traditionalists] are mistaken, and, moreover, they all share a common mistake.
The common mistake is to assume that truth has a nature of the kind that philosophers might find out about and develop theories of.

The main idea of the deflationary approach is
(a) that all that can be significantly said about truth is exhausted by an account of the role of the expression ‘true’ or of the concept of truth in our talk and thought, and
(b) that, by contrast with what traditional views assume, this role [deflationary]is neither metaphysically substantive nor explanatory.

For example, according to deflationary accounts, to say that ‘snow is white’ is true, or that it is true that snow is white, is in some sense strongly equivalent to saying simply that snow is white, and this, according to the deflationary approach, is all that can be said significantly about the truth of ‘snow is white’.

Philosophers looking for some underlying nature of some truth property that is attributed with the use of the expression ‘true’ are bound to be frustrated, the deflationist says, because they are looking for something that isn’t there.
https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/truth-deflationary/
The point is here related to PH's looking for 'what is fact' [illusory] that is not there.
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Notes: KIV
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