Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Mon Jan 15, 2024 11:22 pm
nemos wrote: ↑Mon Jan 15, 2024 9:14 pm
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Mon Jan 15, 2024 8:43 pm
You're certainly never going to make all nations one.
It might be possible when we stop looking for the different in others and focus on the common.
Well, language is perhaps the biggest hurdle.
Not at all actually. Although different languages provide a somewhat perceived 'hurdle', but which when overcome showed how even within one same language the exact same 'hurdle' existed.
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Mon Jan 15, 2024 11:22 pm
People who speak different languages, and not each other's, have almost no possibility of understanding each other.
Well here is another very defeatist attitude.
Have you not heard of 'translators'?
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Mon Jan 15, 2024 11:22 pm
Certainly they can't come to harmony on any topic but the most rudimentary and superficial sort of arrangements, because they can rely on nothing but signals and gestures.
But, through seeing a peaceful body language this might just show and reveal a quicker way to creating, reaching and achieving a Truly peaceful and harmonious world, then seeing armed bodies around the world could ever create.
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Mon Jan 15, 2024 11:22 pm
It is certainly not necessary to make all nations or peoples into one, because that is what divides us, but I say that we need to focus on what unites us. And that is not even God, because he also divides us and not unites us. So what is it that unites us, regardless of national identity or faith?
Does anything "unite" us, once all that is eliminated?
What is the 'that' word here referring to, exactly?
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Mon Jan 15, 2024 11:22 pm
The ideology called "multiculturalism" tends to dismiss unity as being unimportant. Instead, it celebrates "diversity," which is the opposite characteristic. The problem, though, is that people only meet on common ground, not on their differences. In fact, it's the differences that often provoke the disputes.
Well obviously 'differences' provoke disputes. Surely, you do not presume 'sames' provoke disputes, do you?
Also, this is why that saying, 'I want to make 'a difference' in the world', can actually cause and create the opposite of what was originally intended.
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Mon Jan 15, 2024 11:22 pm
So to be "diverse" means to be fragmented, factionalized, competing for public space and resources, and often, warring.
But just saying the words, 'to be diverse', which is an irrefutable Fact does not mean that competition for absolutely any thing has to exist.
'Being diverse' is just what all of you human beings are, exactly, naturally, and/or by Nature, Itself. As well as all of you are 'the same'.
you just have to discover, or learn, and understand how and why you are all 'different', and, 'the same'. That is; in what way/s and/or in what area/s.
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Mon Jan 15, 2024 11:22 pm
How can we look to "diversity," the thing that creates the problems, to provide solutions?
Again, 'diversity', itself, never creates absolutely any problem at all.
Obviously, by definition 'every thing' has to be 'diverse' in one way or another, otherwise 'they' would not be 'different things'.
Not liking or not accepting 'diversity' is just another way of seeing within 'that one' a want of others to think and/or be like them.
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Mon Jan 15, 2024 11:22 pm
In the end, if national borders are erased, then the very concept of nation will become meaningless, because it is defined by borders - it is why is impossible to create one nation.
But borders are not the
cause of nationhood. They're its
symptom.
Yes, very true.
Beliefs in that one owns 'things' is what caused those types of issues.
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Mon Jan 15, 2024 11:22 pm
People don't fight
because of borders; they put up borders
because they fight.
And adult human beings only learned to fight, and to want to fight others, because of Wrong or abusive upbringings.
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Mon Jan 15, 2024 11:22 pm
The stakes are often things like resources, territory, tribe, genetics, desire for power, access to water, cultural conflict...
Well there is obviously no 'fight gene'. There is also only one home, which human beings live within groups around so so-called 'tribes' exist, but in no way meaning that fighting/warring has to exist, and using resources for monetary gain is just another result of living in and experiencing a Wrong or abusive greedy environment, and as for wanting power of or over another, then this is just another Wrong learned behavior from living in and experiencing a Wrong and abusive selfish environment.
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Mon Jan 15, 2024 11:22 pm
And a border is the thing they establish to say, "This is mine, and that is yours; don't come here."
Which, from an 'outside perspective', has been a Truly absurd, and at times a very difficult thing, to watch and observe.
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Mon Jan 15, 2024 11:22 pm
In fact, what happens when the border is violated is not that one happy, peaceful nation forms, but rather that the two people-groups fight with each other to re-establish their functional boundaries.
Not always, but admitting was a very common occurrence, back in the days when this was being written.
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Mon Jan 15, 2024 11:22 pm
Sometimes they fight until they kill off or enslave the other people-group.
"christians" were doing this very thing, for centuries and millennia for example.
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Mon Jan 15, 2024 11:22 pm
So dissolving borders isn't a way to prevent war; sometimes, it's just the fastest way to provoke one.
Weill only if you adult human beings still want to continue 'protect' what you Falsely and Wrongly claim 'is yours', and still want to keep warring and/or fighting and killing each other.
But, if you do not, then peace will prevail, obviously.