seeds wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2023 9:19 pm
Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2023 10:04 am
I presumed you are agree,
1. scientifically
[human-based scientific FSK] the Universe began with the Big Bang with a bust of particles expanding in all direction; like the above image with no specific pattern of things.
2. Then the particles got together to form denser clusters or bundles of particles.
3. The process has been going for 13.7 billions years with denser and denser clusters or bundles of particles up the present.
4. Around 3.5 billions years ago, the first one-celled animals emerged. Do you think they perceived these dense clusters as stars in a sky. No, No, No..
And there you have it...
Behold the
tremendous leap that occurred between point's 3 and 4.
Point number 4 is founded upon the utterly absurd assumption that those
"...denser and denser clusters of particles..." mentioned in
point number 3, without any way of consciously
"knowing" what they were creating,...
It is common knowledge with the Theory of the Big Bang, the particles that exploded initially, subsequently, some went apart and some got together and became denser and denser clusters, which the human minds [in 2023 and earlier] perceived as galaxies, stars and physical things.
...were nevertheless somehow able to blindly arrange themselves into the highly correlated patterns of coded information that underpins and delineates the infinitely diverse phenomenal features of the absolute perfect (solar powered) "system" and setting, again, this...
You are imposing your human conditions [anthropomorphic] when you use "blindly arrange".
The fact is the original particles just got together via
the original forces from the original Big Bang, not from your illusory intelligent being.
What you perceive [as things] at present is constructed anthropomorphic via evolution.
The point is underlying these things are still the original particles in denser clusters / bundles or in great distance apart.
Analogy:
It is just like ice-pieces coagulating [H20 molecules getting denser] from ice water.
When heat is added to water, the H20 molecules spread out as steam.
But fundamentally, what are the basic things are the H20 molecules which are 'constant' but changes their formation with different conditions.
It is the same with the original soup of particles [re the noise image] from the Big Bang, some spread out and some coagulated in denser and denser cluster driven
the original forces of the Big Bang that is still driving the expansion of the universe at present.
Critical:
The concept of Big Bang and the resulting particles as in the above image is also constructed anthropomorphically.
Here is the missing argument;
- 1. Whatever is real is conditioned upon a specific human-based FSK.
2. Whatever is human-based is subjective on a collective-of-subject basis, i.e. intersubjective.
3. Therefore, a FSK is fundamentally subjective, i.e. intersubjective.
4. As such, whatever of a FSK cannot be a realist's claim, i.e. absolutely human-independent [or mind independent]
In the above argument 1-9, note 1;
- 1. scientifically [human-based scientific FSK] the Universe began with the Big Bang with a bust of particles expanding in all direction; like the above image with no specific pattern of things.
Since 1 is FSK-based, therefore it follows, the conclusion 9 is fundamentally subjective i.e. intersubjective.
As such, the above cannot be a realist's claim, i.e. absolutely human-independent [or mind independent].
The whole issue is ultimately man-made not god-made.
...upon which those "...first one-celled animals..." could then magically emerge* from the fabric of the setting to begin evolving into higher forms of life on the setting's surface, which, again, was somehow "fully-equipped" with everything the one-celled creatures would need to evolve into us humans.
Again, "only an idiot" could believe such nonsense.
* As if the sudden introduction of the essence of
"life" into this scenario was simply another one of those
"givens" that needs no explanation.
It is not the making of some ultimate intelligence but rather the powerful forces of the original
anthropomorphized [human made] Big Bang that is driving, spreading and coagulating the particles in varied distributions.
Like the H20 molecules in the water-analogy, the particles remain the ultimate constant substance underlying all the varying pattern that human perceived via evolution.
All other animals would have response cognitively in different ways to the
same particles [re the noise image above] of the BB from their specific conditions; e.g. bat and germs do not perceive the same particles differently.
Surely you will not deny, whatever [ALL] that is existing physically is reducible to atoms, electrons, quarks and particles from the original BB.
Whatever that happens and is existing at present is driven by the forces of the BB, not by your supposed agent.
I see you are going psychotic into an emotional spin with those irrelevant posts [they are done to soothe your psychological trauma like a toddler throwing his toys around]; that is typical of your type, soon you will go crazy and not be able to rationalize.
I thought you had turned over as a new leaf, but yuck.. enough of you for me, so fuck off.
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