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USA must drop charges against Julian Assange
Authorities in the USA must drop the espionage and all other charges against Julian Assange that relate to his publishing activities as part of his work with Wikileaks. The US government’s unrelenting pursuit of Julian Assange for having published disclosed documents that included possible war crimes committed by the US military is nothing short of a full-scale assault on the right to freedom of expression.

Julian Assange is currently being held at Belmarsh, a high security prison in the UK, on the basis of a US extradition request on charges that stem directly from the publication of disclosed documents as part of his work with Wikileaks. Amnesty International strongly opposes any possibility of Julian Assange being extradited or sent in any other manner to the USA. There, he faces a real risk of serious human rights violations including possible detention conditions that would amount to torture and other ill-treatment (such as prolonged solitary confinement). The fact that he was the target of a negative public campaign by US officials at the highest levels undermines his right to be presumed innocent and puts him at risk of an unfair trial.

Julian Assange’s publication of disclosed documents as part of his work with Wikileaks should not be punishable as this activity mirrors conduct that investigative journalists undertake regularly in their professional capacity. Prosecuting Julian Assange on these charges could have a chilling effect on the right to freedom of expression, leading journalists to self-censor from fear of prosecution.

Sign the petition now and protect the right to freedom of expression.
Urge the US authorities to drop the charges against Julian Assange that stem solely from his publishing activities with Wikileaks.
https://www.amnesty.org/en/petition/jul ... a-justice/

While Donald Trump is rallying support from many citizens across the US who are worried that independently wealthy people can no longer run for President, should Americans not also rally to support Julian Assange?

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According to Assange, in the 1990s, he and Suburbia Public Access Network facilitated leaks for groups like activists and lawyers.[76] Assange told Suelette Dreyfus that he had "acted as a conduit for leaked documents" when fighting local corruption.[27] While awaiting trial and trying to get custody of his son, Assange and his mother formed the activist organisation Parent Inquiry Into Child Protection. An article in the Canadian magazine Maclean's later referred to it as "a low-tech rehearsal for WikiLeaks".[56] The group used the Australian Freedom of Information Act and secretly recorded meetings with Health and Community Services to get information. The group also used flyers to encourage insiders to anonymously come forward, and according to Assange they "had moles who were inside dissidents." An insider leaked a key internal departmental manual about the rules for custody disputes to the group.[27][28]

In November 1996, Assange sent an email to lists he had created and mentioned a "LEAKS" project. Assange stated that he registered the domain "leaks.org" in 1999, but "didn't do anything with it". He publicised a patent granted to the National Security Agency in August 1999, for voice-data harvesting technology saying "This patent should worry people. Everyone's overseas phone calls are or may soon be tapped, transcribed and archived in the bowels of an unaccountable foreign spy agency."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julian_Assange

So the NSA was working on tapping phone calls and such in 1999 (almost exactly two years before the WTC incident)? Sounds like Assange was clairvoyant or something.
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On 10 April 2019, WikiLeaks said it had uncovered an extensive surveillance operation against Assange from within the embassy. WikiLeaks said that "material including video, audio, copies of private legal documents and a medical report" had surfaced in Spain and that unnamed individuals in Madrid had made an extortion attempt.

On 26 September 2019, the Spanish newspaper El País reported that the Spanish defence and security company Undercover Global S.L. (UC Global) had spied on Assange for the CIA during his time in the embassy. UC Global had been contracted to protect the embassy during this time. According to the report UC Global's owner David Morales had provided the CIA with audio and video of meetings Assange held with his lawyers and colleagues. Morales also arranged for the US to have direct access to the stream from video cameras installed in the embassy at the beginning of December 2017. The evidence was part of a secret investigation by Spain's High Court, the Audiencia Nacional, into Morales and his relationship with US intelligence. The investigation was precipitated by a complaint by Assange that accused UC Global of violating his privacy and client-attorney privileges as well as committing misappropriation, bribery and money laundering.[340] Morales was arrested in September on charges involving violations of privacy and client-attorney privileges, as well as misappropriation, bribery, money laundering and criminal possession of weapons. He was released on bail
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julian_Assange

So may "we the people" see these recorded conversations that the powers that be harvested under clandestine conditions through international channels? If Assange is guilty of something, then perhaps "we the people" ought to be shown those videos also so that we can determine for ourselves? If Assange is extradited will his trial be videotaped and recorded for all the world to witness? Or will the trial be done behind closed doors so that "the impartiality of the jury isn't jeopardized"?
In the US, photography and broadcasting is permitted in some courtrooms but not in others. Some[who?] argue that use of media during courtroom proceedings presents a mockery of the judicial system,[why?] though the issue has been contested at length.

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Daniel M. Kolkey argues that televising trials can distort the truth-seeking process of a criminal trial and chill witnesses' willingness to cooperate; that televising trials interferes with the privacy of victims, witnesses and defendants; that the decision whether to televise trials does not lend itself to a case-by-case determination; and that televising trials can transform them into a form of entertainment which can undermine the dignity of, and respect for, our judicial institutions. Bryan Goebel counter-argues that there is no evidence to support claims that cameras have any greater psychological effect than a packed courtroom of strangers or that the cameras undermine truthful testimony.[31] It has been pointed out that inasmuch as no trial can be reproduced in laboratory conditions, scientific experimentation is not possible, and we thus have no empirical data on the effect of television on a criminal trial.[32][33]

It has been argued that because the majority of Americans have had no personal experience with the legal system, and because the majority of Americans get their information about the world solely from television, the portrayal of justice on television is extremely important to the continued viability of the legal system and to the individual's understanding of that system.[34] Senator Charles Schumer argued, "Courts are an important part of our government, and the more our government institutions are shown to the public, the more dignified they become, and the more the public comes to understand them. Allowing cameras into our courtrooms will help demystify them and let the public evaluate how well the system works."[8] Justice Otto Moore of the Colorado Supreme Court opined in 1956, "Do we hear complaints that the employment of these modern devices of thought transmission in the pulpits of our great churches destroys the dignity of the service; that they degrade the pulpit or create misconceptions in the mind of the public? The answers are obvious. That which is carried out with dignity will not become undignified because more people may be permitted to see and hear."[35] William O. Douglas argued that televising trials should not be allowed because the press can use it to pressure judges to decide a case a certain way, particularly in jurisdictions where judges are elected.[36]

In reference to the argument that cameras make witnesses nervous, former jurist Louis Gohmert stated, "I think nervousness is a good thing in a witness. It makes potential inaccuracies come to the light and easier to observe." He responded to the argument that cameras may make witnesses more reluctant to testify by saying, "There is a thing called a subpoena," and noting that he "found that if people are not willing to come to court and they are reluctant to testify, officers with handcuffs and guns are very helpful."[37]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Courtroom ... oadcasting

Thoughts? Should we trust government "officials" anymore? In what ways can "we the people" be ensured that our "officials" are behaving themselves behind closed doors while they perform their duties on OUR behalf?
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Well, my Donald Trump thread got a few bites so far. I guess no one cares about Julian. Or maybe everything I've stated is unarguably true and right on target in this thread?
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Gary Childress wrote: Sun Aug 27, 2023 1:38 am Well, my Donald Trump thread got a few bites so far. I guess no one cares about Julian. Or maybe everything I've stated is unarguably true and right on target in this thread?
I've written threads on here about Julian and not had a single 'bite'. Perhaps he should announce that he's now a woman, Then the likes of sculptor would jump up and down, screeching with outrage because Assange has been 'misgendered' by someone. There's nothing worse than 'misgendering' (i.e. calling a man a 'he') someone. Far worse, apparently, than rotting away in prison for the rest of your 'life'.
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Kissenger actually committed war crimes according to international law and serious federal crimes according to US law.
But I'm sure the US would go to war to protect him from Laos, say, if they tried to force extradition and put him on trial for his crimes.
And then there's JA who was just doing his job and well.
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vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Sun Aug 27, 2023 2:06 am
Gary Childress wrote: Sun Aug 27, 2023 1:38 am Well, my Donald Trump thread got a few bites so far. I guess no one cares about Julian. Or maybe everything I've stated is unarguably true and right on target in this thread?
I've written threads on here about Julian and not had a single 'bite'. Perhaps he should announce that he's now a woman, Then the likes of sculptor would jump up and down, screeching with outrage because Assange has been 'misgendered' by someone. There's nothing worse than 'misgendering' (i.e. calling a man a 'he') someone. Far worse, apparently, than rotting away in prison for the rest of your 'life'.
Poor IC. Now I know how he felt when his thread about "socialists" being responsible for all wars didn't get any hits (according to him). We evil "socialists" who just want there to be some public programs to help those who have fallen behind, experiencing hard times, who want more public accountability on the part of our governments and less interference by mega profiting corporations are just terrible people.

(OK, that should get the ball rolling. Now it's about socialism.)
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Iwannaplato wrote: Sun Aug 27, 2023 6:43 am Kissenger actually committed war crimes according to international law and serious federal crimes according to US law.
But I'm sure the US would go to war to protect him from Laos, say, if they tried to force extradition and put him on trial for his crimes.
And then there's JA who was just doing his job and well.
Nixon was lauded as a "great statesman" by the press sometime after Reagan. I'll try to dig up some articles on the Internet to that effect, but I know I saw those sorts of statements made back in the 90s or so. Literally, Nixon who tried to do EXACTLY what we are seeing today, manipulate an election in his favor was VINDICATED by our "statesmen" as one of the greats!
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Here at Nixon Foundation, we’ve made efforts to examine President Nixon’s policy legacy and discuss its relevance in the America of 2016. We’ve zoomed in on topics as diverse as relations with Iran, North Korea, and Russia, foreign aid and assistance, Native American policy, the impact of television on politics, and nuclear nonproliferation. But sometimes, it’s important to take a step back and look at the bigger picture.
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Yes. It didn't take long. I Googled the words, "nixon great statesman". Here is a FOUNDATION on his behalf. WOW! What a "foundation" for democracy this site is!! (OMG, I made a pun! I'm so proud of myself!!!)
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Gary Childress wrote: Sun Aug 27, 2023 11:53 am
Iwannaplato wrote: Sun Aug 27, 2023 6:43 am Kissenger actually committed war crimes according to international law and serious federal crimes according to US law.
But I'm sure the US would go to war to protect him from Laos, say, if they tried to force extradition and put him on trial for his crimes.
And then there's JA who was just doing his job and well.
Nixon was lauded as a "great statesman" by the press sometime after Reagan. I'll try to dig up some articles on the Internet to that effect, but I know I saw those sorts of statements made back in the 90s or so. Literally, Nixon who tried to do EXACTLY what we are seeing today, manipulate an election in his favor was VINDICATED by our "statesmen" as one of the greats!
Yeah, Nixon was guilty of the same crimes as Kissinger, plus some of his own inventions.
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Iwannaplato wrote: Sun Aug 27, 2023 12:24 pm
Gary Childress wrote: Sun Aug 27, 2023 11:53 am
Iwannaplato wrote: Sun Aug 27, 2023 6:43 am Kissenger actually committed war crimes according to international law and serious federal crimes according to US law.
But I'm sure the US would go to war to protect him from Laos, say, if they tried to force extradition and put him on trial for his crimes.
And then there's JA who was just doing his job and well.
Nixon was lauded as a "great statesman" by the press sometime after Reagan. I'll try to dig up some articles on the Internet to that effect, but I know I saw those sorts of statements made back in the 90s or so. Literally, Nixon who tried to do EXACTLY what we are seeing today, manipulate an election in his favor was VINDICATED by our "statesmen" as one of the greats!
Yeah, Nixon was guilty of the same crimes as Kissinger, plus some of his own inventions.
Of course. They are "great statesmen". "We the people" only fuck up politics when we get involved. However, I do have to say that focusing only on Trump as our 'savior' sort of makes me wonder if "We the People" have the ability to snap out of our delusions.

But, yes. Let's forgive Trump also. Let's pardon Trump. I'm serious. We'll forgive Trump and focus from here forward ONLY on Julian Assange who truly is rotting in jail for exposing what needed to be exposed to "We the People".

FREE JULIAN ASSANGE!
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