Is God Necessary?
Is God Necessary?
Mmmm, no.
I don't know what gets into me sometimes; just crazy, I guess.
I don't know what gets into me sometimes; just crazy, I guess.
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Re: Is God Necessary?
It was the title of a Youtube video that popped up, "Is God Necessary?"; I didn't watch it, but before I new what had happened I had started a thread and answered the question. Don't tell me that's never happened to you.
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Re: Is God Necessary?
Can't say it has Harbal, but far wackier things have!Harbal wrote: βFri Jul 07, 2023 11:42 pmIt was the title of a Youtube video that popped up, "Is God Necessary?"; I didn't watch it, but before I new what had happened I had started a thread and answered the question. Don't tell me that's never happened to you.
I still don't understand the question, but no could be the right answer.
Re: Is God Necessary?
I don't understand it either, because I didn't watch the video.attofishpi wrote: βFri Jul 07, 2023 11:48 pmCan't say it has Harbal, but far wackier things have!
I still don't understand the question, but no could be the right answer.
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I honestly think I may have stumbled on a utube vid of that name - although there are probably a lot of them.Harbal wrote: βFri Jul 07, 2023 11:56 pmI don't understand it either, because I didn't watch the video.attofishpi wrote: βFri Jul 07, 2023 11:48 pmCan't say it has Harbal, but far wackier things have!
I still don't understand the question, but no could be the right answer.
How about this, if you knew God does exist, can you think of anything that would be necessary to come from its existence?
Re: Is God Necessary?
No, I'm not aware of any gaps I need him to fill.attofishpi wrote: βSat Jul 08, 2023 12:01 amI honestly think I may have stumbled on a utube vid of that name - although there are probably a lot of them.Harbal wrote: βFri Jul 07, 2023 11:56 pmI don't understand it either, because I didn't watch the video.attofishpi wrote: βFri Jul 07, 2023 11:48 pm
Can't say it has Harbal, but far wackier things have!
I still don't understand the question, but no could be the right answer.
How about this, if you knew God does exist, can you think of anything that would be necessary to come from its existence?
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Re: Is God Necessary?
Personally I think consciousness itself requires this God entity to exist (as it does at the backbone to what we perceive).Harbal wrote: βSat Jul 08, 2023 12:06 amNo, I'm not aware of any gaps I need him to fill.attofishpi wrote: βSat Jul 08, 2023 12:01 amI honestly think I may have stumbled on a utube vid of that name - although there are probably a lot of them.
How about this, if you knew God does exist, can you think of anything that would be necessary to come from its existence?
I've said it before on the forum, much like a component in an electrical circuit 'works' via cathode\anode our QUALIA operates from the light, to dark matter\energy. We 'consume' the light back to the dark, and this ever evolves the universe eternally.
God is extrememly efficient. IMO God is EVERYTHING and that includes dark matter\energy.
I had a thought earlier this morning about the European spacecraft recently launched, a forget its name, but has been launched the other day to attempt study this mysterious dark energy\matter and I thought to myself, imagine if scientists real eyes the way it is structured could only come about via an intelligence.
Re: Is God Necessary?
Maybe you're right; who knows? I certainly don't.attofishpi wrote: βSat Jul 08, 2023 12:15 amPersonally I think consciousness itself requires this God entity to exist (as it does at the backbone to what we perceive).Harbal wrote: βSat Jul 08, 2023 12:06 amNo, I'm not aware of any gaps I need him to fill.attofishpi wrote: βSat Jul 08, 2023 12:01 am
I honestly think I may have stumbled on a utube vid of that name - although there are probably a lot of them.
How about this, if you knew God does exist, can you think of anything that would be necessary to come from its existence?
I've said it before on the forum, much like a component in an electrical circuit 'works' via cathode\anode our QUALIA operates from the light, to dark matter\energy. We 'consume' the light back to the dark, and this ever evolves the universe eternally.
God is extrememly efficient. IMO God is EVERYTHING and that includes dark matter\energy.
I had a thought earlier this morning about the European spacecraft recently launched, a forget its name, but has been launched the other day to attempt study this mysterious dark energy\matter and I thought to myself, imagine if scientists real eyes the way it is structured could only come about via an intelligence.
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Re: Is God Necessary?
All I know is, Jesus is the Christ and we are in a God system. Through Christ Je sus we are able to sus it out.Harbal wrote: βSat Jul 08, 2023 12:27 amMaybe you're right; who knows? I certainly don't.attofishpi wrote: βSat Jul 08, 2023 12:15 amPersonally I think consciousness itself requires this God entity to exist (as it does at the backbone to what we perceive).
I've said it before on the forum, much like a component in an electrical circuit 'works' via cathode\anode our QUALIA operates from the light, to dark matter\energy. We 'consume' the light back to the dark, and this ever evolves the universe eternally.
God is extrememly efficient. IMO God is EVERYTHING and that includes dark matter\energy.
I had a thought earlier this morning about the European spacecraft recently launched, a forget its name, but has been launched the other day to attempt study this mysterious dark energy\matter and I thought to myself, imagine if scientists real eyes the way it is structured could only come about via an intelligence.
This video is interesting from my POV:- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cC6xCyFJ1Ro&t=2290s
I looked up channel 'Esoterica' which someone mentioned in another thread. It's a tough lesson to know God...and Paul was clearly aware of that, what I was put through this morning you would not believe, and is impossible to describe accurately anyway.
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Re: Is God Necessary?
posted in wrong thread
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Re: Is God Necessary?
You have no idea about God as with ALL atheists..and you likely will never know.Veritas Aequitas wrote: βSat Jul 08, 2023 4:21 am Does It Matter Whether God Exists or Not?
viewtopic.php?t=40161
Obviously whether god exists or not, do matter to theists who are clinging to God like a drowning person clinging to a twig.
God matters to theists as a balm to soothe their very painful cognitive dissonances arising from an inherent unavoidable existential crisis.
I know with 99.9999999% certainty it exists and we are indeed in a God system.
This ridiculous argument of yours can play two ways (for atheists and theists):- ".. to soothe their very painful cognitive dissonances arising from an inherent unavoidable existential crisis."
Imagine burning in HELL forever, maybe that's why atheists cling to their hope that there is NOT a God, since they know what sins they have committed.
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I posted the above in the wrong thread;attofishpi wrote: βSat Jul 08, 2023 4:31 amYou have no idea about God as with ALL atheists..and you likely will never know.Veritas Aequitas wrote: βSat Jul 08, 2023 4:21 am Does It Matter Whether God Exists or Not?
viewtopic.php?t=40161
Obviously whether god exists or not, do matter to theists who are clinging to God like a drowning person clinging to a twig.
God matters to theists as a balm to soothe their very painful cognitive dissonances arising from an inherent unavoidable existential crisis.
I know with 99.9999999% certainty it exists and we are indeed in a God system.
This ridiculous argument of yours can play two ways (for atheists and theists):- ".. to soothe their very painful cognitive dissonances arising from an inherent unavoidable existential crisis."
Imagine burning in HELL forever, maybe that's why atheists cling to their hope that there is NOT a God, since they know what sins they have committed.
This OP is related to this;
Is God Necessary?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJ1nWKbtku8
From the transcripts:
- I'm Robert Lawrence Kuhn and closer to truth as my journey to find out
I begin in Notre Dame with the philosopher who reinvigorated Christian philosophy Alvin Plantinga
I see how Al first because God's necessity undergirds Al's whole concept of God
Al, in trying to discern the nature of God to determine whether I believe there is a God
one of the questions that always comes up is
is God necessary a necessary being
what does that mean
AP: a necessary being is one that can't fail to exist no matter how things had been or we could say
a necessary being is one that exists in every possible world or
a possible world is a way things could have been a sort of total way things could have been that says something about everything
one of these possible worlds is actual the rest of Mark
you and I exist in all those possible worlds which are such that if they had been actual then we would have existed and
the necessary being is one such that for any world at all if it had been actual it would have existed
Re: Is God Necessary?
Very well observed.
There is...
No gap between the seer and the seen.
No gap between the feeler and the felt.
No gap between the taster and the taste.
No gap between the hearer and the heard.
No gap between the smeller and the smelt.
No gap between the senser and the sensed.
No gap between the knower and the known.
Bo gap between the believer and the believed.
No gap between the perceiver and the perceived.
No gap between the experiencer and the experience.
No gap between the thinker and the thought.
No gap between the creator and the created.
No gap between the author and the story.
No gap between the inventor and the invented.
No gap between the planner and the plan.
Etc...
Etc...
Etc...
Etc...
Etc...
Etc...
Ad infinitum..In this CONCEPTION...The forming of the formless.
When all distance collapses, you are no longer looking into the world; all of the world is looking out of you.
In / Out where is that?
HERE NOW / NOWHERE.
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Re: Is God Necessary?
Ridiculous waffle.Dontaskme wrote: βSat Jul 08, 2023 6:19 amVery well observed.
There is...
No gap between the seer and the seen.
No gap between the feeler and the felt.
No gap between the taster and the taste.
No gap between the hearer and the heard.
No gap between the smeller and the smelt.
No gap between the senser and the sensed.
No gap between the knower and the known.
Bo gap between the believer and the believed.
No gap between the perceiver and the perceived.
No gap between the experiencer and the experience.
No gap between the thinker and the thought.
No gap between the creator and the created.
No gap between the author and the story.
No gap between the inventor and the invented.
No gap between the planner and the plan.
Etc...
Etc...
Etc...
Etc...
Etc...
Etc...
Ad infinitum..In this CONCEPTION...The forming of the formless.
When all distance collapses, you are no longer looking into the world; all of the world is looking out of you.
In / Out where is that?
HERE NOW / NOWHERE.