have you ever met anyone with autism?commonsense wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2023 8:37 pmHumor, I assume.Impenitent wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2023 8:17 pm and those humans who cannot use language must not be conscious...
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have you ever met anyone with autism?commonsense wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2023 8:37 pmHumor, I assume.Impenitent wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2023 8:17 pm and those humans who cannot use language must not be conscious...
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No. Must they not be conscious?Impenitent wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2023 8:41 pmhave you ever met anyone with autism?commonsense wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2023 8:37 pmHumor, I assume.Impenitent wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2023 8:17 pm and those humans who cannot use language must not be conscious...
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Turing machines are a shitty model of computation. There' no need to debate it - brains are not Turing machines.
You do understand that "existence proofs" are an ill-defined notion outside of the paradigm of mathematics, right?
WrongSkepdick wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2023 8:54 pmTuring machines are a shitty model of computation. There' no need to debate it - brains are not Turing machines.
Brains can do concurrent computations - Turing Machines cannot.
Brains can perform certain computations in finite time while Turing machines cannot do it even in infinite time.
Also wrongSkepdick wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2023 8:59 pmYou do understand that "existence proofs" are an ill-defined notion outside of the paradigm of mathematics, right?
And the fact that you are speaking about proofs and evidence in the same sentence is all the evidence necessary that you speak mindlessly while confusing the different paradigms of thought.
The fact that humans can reify and replicate aspects of human thinking into machines which bear no physical semblance to a human brain is all the evidence nessessary that minds exist.
The software I write encodes my intentions in matter.
Q.E.DDarkneos wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2023 9:24 pmWrongSkepdick wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2023 8:54 pmTuring machines are a shitty model of computation. There' no need to debate it - brains are not Turing machines.
Brains can do concurrent computations - Turing Machines cannot.
Brains can perform certain computations in finite time while Turing machines cannot do it even in infinite time.
Swing and a misscommonsense wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2023 8:52 pmNo. Must they not be conscious?
Wrong.Skepdick wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2023 9:25 pmQ.E.DDarkneos wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2023 9:24 pmWrongSkepdick wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2023 8:54 pm
Turing machines are a shitty model of computation. There' no need to debate it - brains are not Turing machines.
Brains can do concurrent computations - Turing Machines cannot.
Brains can perform certain computations in finite time while Turing machines cannot do it even in infinite time.
Turing machines can't assert "right" or "wrong".
Wrong about me being wrong. Twice now.Darkneos wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2023 9:24 pmAlso wrongSkepdick wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2023 8:59 pmYou do understand that "existence proofs" are an ill-defined notion outside of the paradigm of mathematics, right?
And the fact that you are speaking about proofs and evidence in the same sentence is all the evidence necessary that you speak mindlessly while confusing the different paradigms of thought.
The fact that humans can reify and replicate aspects of human thinking into machines which bear no physical semblance to a human brain is all the evidence nessessary that minds exist.
The software I write encodes my intentions in matter.
Make that 3 times.
Produce the algorithm which runs on a Turing Machine and determines that I am "wrong" and consider this settled...