Harbal wrote: ↑Sun May 07, 2023 7:09 pm
Age wrote: ↑Sun May 07, 2023 3:10 pm
Harbal wrote: ↑Sun May 07, 2023 2:39 pm
Quite a lot of human beings care, and women have more reason than men to care.
WHY? And,
WHY?
That is; WHY do quite a LOT of 'you', human beings, in the days when this is being written, CARE what 'toilets' or 'change rooms' 'you', human beings, use?
After all, for MILLIONS OF YEARS, 'you', human beings, did NOT CARE AT ALL WHERE you went to the 'toilet' NOR WHERE 'you' 'changed', (if you did). So, WHY do 'you', people, in the days when this is being written, CARE?
Is 'this' a 'biological innate compulsion', OR just a 'learned behavior'.
Oh, and by the way, ABSOLUTELY NONE OF 'you' CARED, AT ALL, at one point. Which is FAR MORE than just a LOT of 'you'.
AND, what ARE the MORE reasons women have to care than men do.
The safety issues of allowing men access to areas where there are women in various states of undress are surely obvious.
ONLY IN 'that world' in which 'you', adult human beings, HAVE CREATED, in the days when this is being written.
And, so what 'you' are ESSENTIALLY SAYING IS, 'men', like 'you', "harbal", can NOT be TRUSTED.
So, now, WHY can 'you' NOT be TRUSTED being near women is various states of undress?
Is that 'society' that 'you' live IN so 'FUCKED UP and TWISTED' (for lack of better wording here) that 'you', people, can NOT CONTROL "yourselves" BECAUSE 'you' have BECOME so ACCUSTOMED to 'bits of cloth' on the human body that when 'you' SEE 'bits of cloth' in so-called 'various states of undress' that 'you' BECOME UNCONTROLLABLE 'animals' (again for lack of a better word here).
THINK ABOUT just how ILL 'human society' HAS BECOME when 'you', "harbal", can NOT be TRUSTED, and 'you' even USE the EXCUSE that BECAUSE 'you' are 'male' that 'you' can NOT BE TRUSTED, AT ALL.
And, what is WORST OF ALL is that 'you' SAID the ABOVE like 'it' IS ACTUALLY NORMAL and ACCEPTABLE.
'you' ACTUALLY SAID and STATED,
'The safety issues of allowing 'men' access to areas where there are 'women' in 'various states of undress' are, SURELY, OBVIOUS'.
like 'this' is HOW 'human society' has been FOREVER, or, that 'this' is SOMEHOW NORMAL and ACCEPTABLE, LOL.
ALSO, how MANY times have 'you' walked into a 'male toilet' and SEEN 'male bodies' in 'various states of undress'? AND, let us NOT FORGET that in
'women's toilets', unlike 'men's toilets', that is IF 'you' have ever been in one, USUALLY has CLOSED booths or cubicles to 'go to the toilet' in. Where NO one can SEE 'them' in 'various states of undress', like where 'men' hang out their genitals where "others" could SEE if 'they' were inclined to LOOK.
Oh, and by the way, how do you KNOW 'women' are in 'various states of undress' in 'toilets'?
Harbal wrote: ↑Sun May 07, 2023 7:09 pm
There is also the matter of privacy; many people are uncomfortable about undressing in front of members of the opposite sex.
THIS WAS MY MAIN POINT, which 'you', adult human beings, in the days when this is being written, can NOT SEEM TO NOTICE NOR FATHOM, is that the ONLY REASON WHY 'you' have BECOME SO UNCOMFORTABLE 'undressing' in front of member of ANY so-called 'sex' is BECAUSE 'you' have LEARNED that being NAKED IS TO BE UNNATURAL and/or UNCOMFORTABLE. Which ALL of 'you' NEVER once 'felt' NOR 'thought' BEFORE but END UP 'feeling' AND 'thinking', BECAUSE, ONCE AGAIN, this is ANOTHER LEARNED MISBEHAVIOR.
'Feeling' UNCOMFORTABLE when NAKED, and/or 'thinking', being NAKED is UNNATURAL, as an adult, is a LEARNED BEHAVIOR and A TOTALLY Wrongly LEARNED MISBEHAVIOR.
Harbal wrote: ↑Sun May 07, 2023 7:09 pm
Humans have not been around for millions of years, btw; I believe it is something like 300,000 years.
Do you REGULARLY BELIEVE 'things' to be true, which could end up being False, or partly false?
LOOK I KNOW when 'you' said the 'believe' word here that 'your' INTENTION WAS that 'you' are NOT SURE, EXACTLY, if human beings have been around for something like 300,000 years, or so, but consider what the word 'believe' ACTUALLY MEANS and REFERS TO, EXACTLY.
Now, BECAUSE 'you', adult human beings, have such VASTLY DIFFERENT and VARYING VIEWS of 'things', what can be VERY QUICKLY FOUND is that SOME of 'you' SAY and CLAIM that 'you', human beings, have been existing for something like 300,000 years, SOME SAY and CLAIM human beings have been around for something like two or three million years or so, while SOME SAY and CLAIM that human beings, and the REST OF ALL Existence have been around for something like 10,000 years or so.
So, whatever one ANY one of 'you' WANTS TO BELIEVE is true is PERFECTLY FINE with me, BUT 'you', human beings, HAVE BEEN LIVING with NO CLOTHES a LOT LONGER than WITH CLOTHES.
Harbal wrote: ↑Sun May 07, 2023 7:09 pm
Which is still a long time, and although we spent most of it without separate toilets and changing rooms, that is not a reason to continue doing so if we would rather not.
But MY QUESTIONING is ASKING, 'But WHY would ONLY 'you', adult human beings, RATHER NOT?'
'you' ALL STARTED OUT NOT CARING BEFORE. And, I am REFERRING TO EACH and EVERY one of 'you' who HAS ENDED UP CARING.
THINK ABOUT WHY 'you' CARE as an adult but NEVER DID as a child?
In other words, AND BACK TO the OPENING POST, 'you' have LEARNED 'these kind of behaviors' and 'thinking'. 'They' were and are NEVER 'biological innate compulsions'.
ABSOLUTELY NO one is born with 'these kind of desires or attractions'. ALL of 'them' ARE LEARNED, along the way.
SEE, once 'you' can DECIPHER between what IS ACTUALLY LEARNED from what IS ACTUALLY INNATE, then LEARNING and DISCOVERING what IS ACTUALLY Right and what IS ACTUALLY Wrong, in Life, BECOMES Truly VERY SIMPLE and VERY EASY TO DO, and DONE ALMOST INSTANTANEOUSLY I will add.
Harbal wrote: ↑Sun May 07, 2023 7:09 pm
Why we would rather not is unimportant.
FAIR ENOUGH. But, WHY ALL of 'you', previously and BEGAN, 'RATHER NOTING', but CHANGED to 'REALLY CARING, and WORRYING', IS VERY, VERY, IMPORTANT here.
But, SADLY, some of 'you' find it ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE to LOOK BACK on 'your' OWN lives to RECOGNIZE and SEE that HOW 'you' have ALL EXACTLY CHANGED, for the WORSE, I will add. And the REASON WHY SOME of 'you' can NOT SEE the ACTUAL CHANGE that ACTUALLY TOOK PLACE is BECAUSE those ones BELIEVE that 'they' WERE BORN 'THAT WAY'.
Which IS, if I MUST BE TOTALLY Honest, about the MOST ONE OF THE MOST ABSURDEST CONCLUSIONS ANY of 'you' could COME TO.
Harbal wrote: ↑Sun May 07, 2023 7:09 pm
We have also spent the vast majority of that 300,000 years
I WOULD CHECK UP on THAT 'figure' if 'I' was 'you'.
And, IF 'you' DID, then what 'you' MIGHT FIND is just HOW LARGE a DIFFERENCE 'that figure' is 'REPORTED TO BE', AMONG 'you', adult human beings.
Harbal wrote: ↑Sun May 07, 2023 7:09 pm
without indoor plumbing, and other modern conveniences, but we would take badly to having to give it up just because our ancestors managed without it.
'THIS PATH', which 'this one' HAS JUST TAKEN 'us' DOWN here, is 'one' a LOT of adult human beings would USE, in the days when this being written.
It is AN UNCONSCIOUSLY USED 'path' ATTEMPTING TO "justify" or "rationalize" THE Wrong, being DONE, but which is UNCONSCIOUSLY or SUBCONSCIOUSLY KNOWN, but NOT YET FULLY RECOGNIZED NOR FULLY KNOWN and UNDERSTOOD.
LOOK, absolutely NO one has TALKED ABOUT NOR SAID ABSOLUTELY ANY 'thing' ABOUT GOING 'BACK TO' ANY SORT OF 'WAY' of living.
I was just ASKING QUESTIONS, and IF, and WHEN, THOSE QUESTIONS EVER GET ANSWERED, properly AND correctly, then WHAT WILL BE FOUND OUT is what ARE ACTUALLY LEARNED and TAUGHT 'behaviors' and what ARE ACTUALLY 'biological innate compulsions'.
If 'these people', back in 'those OLDEN DAYS', had just STUCK WITH 'the discussion' here, and thus JUST ANSWERED the QUESTION I posed and ASKED here, OPENLY and Honestly, then what HAS, EVENTUALLY, COME ABOUT, WOULD HAVE COME ABOUT a LOT EARLIER.