What does Parabrahman mean?

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Re: What does Parabrahman mean?

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iambiguous wrote: Thu Jan 12, 2023 7:12 pm
dattaswami wrote: Thu Jan 12, 2023 3:42 am Blah, blah, blahhhh.............
Stop fucking repeating that post! Let's have some more of the drumming!
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Re: What does Parabrahman mean?

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Iwannaplato wrote: Fri Jan 13, 2023 7:55 am
And they don't sit around thinking 'if only I could see the face of the unimaginable God' then things would be good.' And they don't come beating on the doors of your ashram with this need either.


When God comes here in human form, He will never say that He is that God in human form and one shall follow Him etc. He impartially gives the divine knowledge, if anybody is interested they can probe further. But God in Human form stress on very important point about the need of following justice in this world even to an atheist, so that peace will be maintained in the society. God said in Gita that He incarnate in this world in every human generation to establish justice in this world, HE never said that He comes here to establish followers and worshipers to Him! His main aim is to give direction in the filed of Pravrutti (which is the path of justice), Nivrutti which is love and service to Him , He will never preach because it will become a self projection and God is not that cheap!
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Re: What does Parabrahman mean?

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dattaswami wrote: Mon Jan 16, 2023 8:23 am
Iwannaplato wrote: Fri Jan 13, 2023 7:55 am
And they don't sit around thinking 'if only I could see the face of the unimaginable God' then things would be good.' And they don't come beating on the doors of your ashram with this need either.


When God comes here in human form, He will never say that He is that God in human form and one shall follow Him etc. He impartially gives the divine knowledge, if anybody is interested they can probe further. But God in Human form stress on very important point about the need of following justice in this world even to an atheist, so that peace will be maintained in the society. God said in Gita that He incarnate in this world in every human generation to establish justice in this world, HE never said that He comes here to establish followers and worshipers to Him! His main aim is to give direction in the filed of Pravrutti (which is the path of justice), Nivrutti which is love and service to Him , He will never preach because it will become a self projection and God is not that cheap!
This isn't a response to my point in the other post. People are not going to your ashram to do what you are saying.
That said, you do say that you are God in human form...
Therefore, I have to answer the question "Who are You?" for different people in different ways

1. Yes, I am the very Lord Datta

2. Lord Datta is in My heart as I am His strongest devotee

3. I have been sent by Lord Datta as His messenger
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Re: What does Parabrahman mean?

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Iwannaplato wrote: Fri Jan 13, 2023 7:55 am
The only impossible point in the spiritual knowledge is to see or even to imagine the unimaginable God directly.
As pointed out it has really only been you claiming to know things about and imagine the unimaginable God. So it is not we, here, who need to be told this, but rather you who need to listen to what you tell others.

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The unimaginable God is called as Brahman

Or Jehovah or Allah, beyond the space & time

If the characteristics of God are imaginable, then

Brahman becomes imaginable, if the sunlight is seen

The sun is seen, neither Brahman nor its characteristics

Are unknown, then only Brahman is totally unknown.

The unimaginable nature or the inexplicability of Brahman

Is called as Maya, the Gita says “Mayinamtu Maheswaram”

It means that the Lord or God possesses the power Maya

The sunlight is Maya and the Lord is the Sun.

Therefore no one can catch God or His total power, Maya,

If you catch Maya it means you have caught Brahman.

The sun may hide behind a black cloud

You may see a little light coming through the cloud

You cannot say that you have seen the original full Sunlight

In which case you will see the sun also simultaneously.

You saw only a little sunlight filtered through the cloud,

By that you have known simply the existence of sun

In a particular cloud only, in the sky several black clouds exist.

Similarly the Lord hides in a particular human form only

And sends out a little Maya seeing which you can decide

That the Lord is in that particular human being only,

Where as the other human beings are ordinary people only.

You have not seen the full Maya of the Lord

In which case you will see the Lord simultaneously

You cannot bear the vision of full Maya and simultaneous Lord

You cannot see the sun with His original shinning light



When God enters the human body in the incarnation

God mixes a little of His inexplicability or Maya

With a characteristic of the human body so that

The imaginable characteristic of the human body becomes

A little unimaginable, which can be called as wonderful.

The word wonderful indicates a little higher state than

Explicability and much lower state than full inexplicability.

It is like the roof of a house, which is higher than the floor

But much lower than the sky, you can grasp it

And at the same time cannot understand it.

For example the human body has an explicable characteristic

Called as “Lifting power” by lifting a suitable stone.

The boy Krishna can lift a small stone, which is

Explicable characteristic of the body boy, the nature,

Nature or Prakruti is explicable by your analysis.

A crane can lift a small mountain, it is also explicable

But the boy lifted the hill on his finger, this is wonderful,

Because the lifting of mountain is grasped by you

Since you can imagine the crane lifting the hill.

But little inexplicability comes when the boy lifts the hill

The boy, little lifting power of boy, crane lifting the hill,

All these are explicable signs of the nature, fully grasped

Among these explicable concepts only one concept lies

Which is inexplicable that is the boy lifting the hill

Assuming that the power of the crane is in the boy,

Can that tender body withstand that much power?

The material of work is metal in the crane, it can withstand,

But the body is a tender flower, how it withstood?

One inexplicable point mixed with several explicable points

Is called as wonder, it is a diluted inexplicability.

The full inexplicability is unbearable to human beings.

Even this wonder causes so much anxiety and thrill,

Sometimes it leads to the failure of the heart by shock.

Can anyone withstand the full inexplicability, if shown?

If Krishna stands by uplifting the entire earth on his finger,

The devotee will collapse with the shock of surprise.

He showed the entire world in His mouth to His mother

She could not withstand the vision and became unconscious.

The most confusing point in that vision is that

She along with Krishna is also found in His mouth!

The scene of vision and the entire site is in His mouth!!

He showed the entire cosmos within His body to Arjuna

The cosmic energy will burn the eyesight of Arjuna

Therefore He gave the inner divine sight by which only

Arjuna could see the entire Electro magnetic spectrum,

Which is in the form of the world, energy in the units of matter.

Therefore the Lord shows tolerable miracles only,

Which you can see even with your physical eyes.

Miracles are wonderful, which are diluted inexplicabilities.

When you see a vision, you become shocked with excitement

As long as you believe the vision is true, the shock continues.

To save the devotee, a doubt in the mind of the devotee arises

By which he thinks that whether the vision is illusion.

This doubt neutralizes the shock and arose by His will only

In the Gita the Lord says “Mattah Smrutih Jnanam”, which means

That the same Lord gives true knowledge and also the doubt.

Jnanam or knowledge is the imaginable sign of the human body.

When the Lord entered into the human body in incarnation,

A little of His inexplicability or Maya enters jnanam.

Now His knowledge becomes wonderful, which is both

Understandable and little unimaginable, hence wonderful.

Such divine knowledge is Prajnanam or special knowledge.

The Upasarga or suffix “Pra” means wonderful specialty.

This will help you to detect the existence of His place.

The Veda says “Astityeva” which means, “Only existence is known”.

Thus devotee who believes Him knows him a little.

This little awareness of God is the experience of God

You cannot experience the full nature of God, because

You cannot withstand the quantitative aspect of His Maya

You have tasted a little water from the sea and you can tell

That the sea is saltish, that is sufficient since you tasted the sea.

The entire sea cannot and need not be swallowed by you to say

That the sea is saltish, the qualitative conclusion is same

Whether you taste a drop or the entire ocean itself.

You can know through the miracle that God is inexplicable.

You need not understand the entire quantity of His power,

Which is impossible and you can not withstand it.

The Veda says “Satyam Jnanam Anantam Brahma”, it means

That the special knowledge of the Lord is infinite.

The devotee can never receive that entire special knowledge

After receiving a little special knowledge, he can conclude

That His special knowledge is infinite and unimaginable.

A person who took a tumbler of water from the sea

And a person who took a pot of water from the sea-

Both can say that the sea is infinite.

Let the tumbler not think that the pot has swallowed the whole sea,

Let the pot not be proud that the tumbler has not taken even a drop.

Let the scholar not think that he received entire knowledge,

Let him not think that ignorant people have no knowledge.
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