Why is there something instead of nothing?
- vegetariantaxidermy
- Posts: 13983
- Joined: Thu Aug 09, 2012 6:45 am
- Location: Narniabiznus
Re: Why there is something instead of nothing?
Is this a question or a statement?
Re: Why there is something instead of nothing?
If you EVER would like to delve into this FURTHER and DISCUSS this 'point', then I can PROVE to ANY one that because of the way thee One and ONLY Universe is RIGHT NOW, at ANY given point or moment, then this means that thee One and ONLY Universe could NOT be any different. Which also means the 'state of affair' could NOT be ANY thing ELSE.bahman wrote: ↑Sat Nov 20, 2021 4:04 pmThat is not the point whether what is the state of affair now and afterward. The point is what could be the state of affair.
But if you NEVER want to delve into this topic of discussion here, and just REMAIN with YOUR BELIEF ALONE, then PLEASE feel FREE TO. By you doing so is only PROVING another 'point' that I am more than happy to discuss over, AS WELL. The CHOICE is YOURS.
Oh, and by the way, considering the Fact that you are completely UNABLE to counter my CLAIM nor PROVE your BELIEF here, then if 'I' was 'you', then I would use that as a HINT and a GREAT LESSON to REMOVE the BELIEF and START becoming MORE OPEN to LISTENING and LEARNING MORE.
AND, it is BECAUSE OF what exists NOW there is NO possible way that there could be ANOTHER 'state of affairs'. As I can VERY EASILY and VERY SIMPLY PROVE IRREFUTABLY True.
This all depends on what you are referring to, EXACTLY.bahman wrote: ↑Sat Nov 20, 2021 4:04 pmDid you read what I wrote?Age wrote: ↑Fri Nov 19, 2021 10:14 pmLOL
LOL
LOL
But there only needs to be One thing against "possible state of affairs" to SEE and UNDERSTAND how they REALLY are NOT 'possibilities' AT ALL.
Just because you can IMAGINE different things this does NOT mean they can ACTUALLY exist at all. You have to be able to PROVE how they could possibly exist BEFORE they could ACTUALLY exist. And, if one EVER delves into this deep enough or far enough, then what is CLEARLY SEEN and FULLY UNDERSTOOD is that NONE of the other so-called "possibilities" could ACTUALLY exist.
And, if ANY one is INTERESTED enough to delve into this Fact, then I am more than happy to discuss this with them.
Also, and by the way, AGAIN, just because you BELIEVE some thing is true, and then write this BELIEF down, this does NOT, and I will repeat DOES NOT, necessarily make 'it' true AT ALL.
Did you read this AND comprehend this?
What it is IS; BECAUSE of what thee One and ONLY Universe is ESSENTIALLY and FUNDAMENTALLY made up of, and BECAUSE of how thee One and ONLY Universe ACTUALLY WORKS, this is WHY there could NEVER be ANY other possible 'world', NOR "state of affairs", as you say.
Once you learn and understand what thee One and ONLY Universe is made up and how It ACTUALLY WORKS, then you will also learn and understand the REASON AGAINST your 'possible world' theory or BELIEF.
For 'you', adult human beings, to firstly;
Become Truly responsible for your Wrong and ABUSIVE behaviors towards children, and then the 'world', by just being Truly Honest and OPEN by admitting the Wrong and ABUSE that you ALL do.
Secondly; Take responsibility by just seriously Wanting to CHANGE, for the better, for children's sake and doing this by doing EVERY thing you can to ACTUALLY CHANGE, for the better, for them.
Thirdly, STOP making ASSUMPTIONS and holding BELIEFS.
What do you want?
But by holding BELIEFS, and thus NOT being OPEN, is ABSURDITY, itself, to the highest degree.bahman wrote: ↑Sat Nov 20, 2021 4:04 pmI cannot be open to absurdity.Age wrote: ↑Fri Nov 19, 2021 10:14 pmLOL
LOL
LOL
We have NOT YET 'been through' this EVER. What has occurred, and continues to occur, is that you BELIEVE some thing is true, which means you are NOT OPEN to ANY thing else contrary.
Also, and by the way, because of what 'time' ACTUALLY IS, 'regress' is NOT even an issue AT ALL. But you will NEVER learn and understand this Fact, while you retain this BELIEF of yours here.
Also, INSTEAD of just saying, "I cannot be open to absurdity", how about you EXPLAIN what, EXACTLY, is absurd, to you, and then EXPLAIN how and why 'it' is absurd to you, then we will KNOW, for sure, what you are actually thinking about here.
Also, what can be CLEARLY SEEN here is ANOTHER GREAT EXAMPLE of what happens and occurs when one has and holds BELIEFS. That is; they are just NOT OPEN to ANY thing contrary to their BELIEF, even if the contrary is what IS ACTUALLY and IRREFUTABLY True.
LOLbahman wrote: ↑Sat Nov 20, 2021 4:04 pmYou don't understand what infinity means.
Your BELIEFS are STRIKINGLY CLEAR TO SEE HERE.
Now, YOUR CLAIM here is that I do NOT understand what 'infinity' means, but just be forewarned that what you think or BELIEVE is true is NOT necessarily true AT ALL. Just maybe I understand 'infinity', in relation to thee Universe, Itself, better or more than you do. We will just have to WAIT and SEE.
ONCE AGAIN, for the countless time, I neither BELIEVE nor DISBELIEVE ANY thing, including what YOU CLAIM here.
The ACTUAL WAY, "to reach from infinite past to now", is within the ACTUAL WORDS you just used here.
LOL
LOL
LOL
Is this the One and ONLY definition, which EVERY one HAS TO agree with AND accept?
Also, just because you can NOT reach some thing through thinking or UNDERSTANDING, does NOT mean that I am also UNABLE TO.
Once you learn and understand just what thee Universe ACTUALLY IS and how It ACTUALLY WORKS, then 'infinity', in relation to thee Universe, Itself, and NOW, is REACHED through thinking AND in understanding.
Also, just because some thing is finite does NOT mean that you can reach it. For example, can you reach the beginning of the finite earth?
If yes, then how, EXACTLY?
Or, can you even reach the beginning of the finite 'you'?
If yes, then how, EXACTLY?
Here we have just MORE ATTEMPTS at DEFLECTION, and NO attempts at answering the CLARIFYING QUESTIONS posed to these people who BELIEVE the CLAIMS they make.bahman wrote: ↑Sat Nov 20, 2021 4:04 pmYou need to read the previous statement to see that the current statement would make sense to you.Age wrote: ↑Fri Nov 19, 2021 10:14 pmLOL
LOL
LOL
So, I ask you, 'Do you have ANY idea of how there could even be an "initial point", and your response is because "We (whoever or whatever that refers to) live now.
Are you now able to inform us of HOW and WHY it, supposedly, "logically follows" that if we live now, then there MUST BE 'a beginning'?
Also, and by the way, OF COURSE there is 'a beginning', BUT what this ACTUALLY MEANS and refers to is NOTHING like what just about ALL of 'you', adult human beings, envision or think of, in the days when this was being written.
The reason WHY these people do NOT even attempt to answer the CLARIFYING QUESTIONS I pose to them is because if they did, Honestly, then they would CONTRADICT what they have previously stated and/or PROVE what they have previously stated is Wrong, False, or Incorrect.
Re: Why there is something instead of nothing?
And old question.
Re: Why there is something instead of nothing?
Will you provide examples of 'one state' and 'another state'?bahman wrote: ↑Sat Nov 20, 2021 4:06 pmDo you understand what transition means? It means that you go from one state to another one. So you cannot have both at the same time and you cannot have one at any time.
If no, then WHY NOT?
And, WHY can you CLAIM that you can NOT have 'one state' at ANY time?
Also, WHY do you agree that there is NOT some thing, but ask the question, 'Why is there some thing, at all?'
Can you SEE the CONTRADICTION here?
If no, then just let us KNOW, and we might be able to help you SEE IT.
- vegetariantaxidermy
- Posts: 13983
- Joined: Thu Aug 09, 2012 6:45 am
- Location: Narniabiznus
Re: Why there is something instead of nothing?
Re: Why there is something instead of nothing?
But what is the "something", which supposedly exists only intellectually?simplicity wrote: ↑Sat Nov 20, 2021 9:13 pmThe "something" only exists intellectually.bahman wrote: ↑Fri Nov 19, 2021 10:35 pmI agree with that but here we are arguing that why there is something at all.simplicity wrote: ↑Fri Nov 19, 2021 8:39 pm
There is neither something nor nothing...only transition.
And, what does the only exists intellectually "something" ACTUALLY exist within?
Re: Why there is something instead of nothing?
You still don't understand the difference between actual and possible.Age wrote: ↑Sat Nov 20, 2021 11:22 pmIf you EVER would like to delve into this FURTHER and DISCUSS this 'point', then I can PROVE to ANY one that because of the way thee One and ONLY Universe is RIGHT NOW, at ANY given point or moment, then this means that thee One and ONLY Universe could NOT be any different. Which also means the 'state of affair' could NOT be ANY thing ELSE.
But if you NEVER want to delve into this topic of discussion here, and just REMAIN with YOUR BELIEF ALONE, then PLEASE feel FREE TO. By you doing so is only PROVING another 'point' that I am more than happy to discuss over, AS WELL. The CHOICE is YOURS.
Oh, and by the way, considering the Fact that you are completely UNABLE to counter my CLAIM nor PROVE your BELIEF here, then if 'I' was 'you', then I would use that as a HINT and a GREAT LESSON to REMOVE the BELIEF and START becoming MORE OPEN to LISTENING and LEARNING MORE.
No. You are wrong.
Do you understand the difference between actual and possible?Age wrote: ↑Fri Nov 19, 2021 10:14 pmThis all depends on what you are referring to, EXACTLY.bahman wrote: ↑Sat Nov 20, 2021 4:04 pmDid you read what I wrote?Age wrote: ↑Fri Nov 19, 2021 10:14 pm
LOL
LOL
LOL
But there only needs to be One thing against "possible state of affairs" to SEE and UNDERSTAND how they REALLY are NOT 'possibilities' AT ALL.
Just because you can IMAGINE different things this does NOT mean they can ACTUALLY exist at all. You have to be able to PROVE how they could possibly exist BEFORE they could ACTUALLY exist. And, if one EVER delves into this deep enough or far enough, then what is CLEARLY SEEN and FULLY UNDERSTOOD is that NONE of the other so-called "possibilities" could ACTUALLY exist.
And, if ANY one is INTERESTED enough to delve into this Fact, then I am more than happy to discuss this with them.
Also, and by the way, AGAIN, just because you BELIEVE some thing is true, and then write this BELIEF down, this does NOT, and I will repeat DOES NOT, necessarily make 'it' true AT ALL.
Did you read this AND comprehend this?
What it is IS; BECAUSE of what thee One and ONLY Universe is ESSENTIALLY and FUNDAMENTALLY made up of, and BECAUSE of how thee One and ONLY Universe ACTUALLY WORKS, this is WHY there could NEVER be ANY other possible 'world', NOR "state of affairs", as you say.
Once you learn and understand what thee One and ONLY Universe is made up and how It ACTUALLY WORKS, then you will also learn and understand the REASON AGAINST your 'possible world' theory or BELIEF.
What are you talking about?Age wrote: ↑Fri Nov 19, 2021 10:14 pmFor 'you', adult human beings, to firstly;
Become Truly responsible for your Wrong and ABUSIVE behaviors towards children, and then the 'world', by just being Truly Honest and OPEN by admitting the Wrong and ABUSE that you ALL do.
Secondly; Take responsibility by just seriously Wanting to CHANGE, for the better, for children's sake and doing this by doing EVERY thing you can to ACTUALLY CHANGE, for the better, for them.
Thirdly, STOP making ASSUMPTIONS and holding BELIEFS.
What do you want?
You don't understand my argument as usual. That is all.Age wrote: ↑Fri Nov 19, 2021 10:14 pmBut by holding BELIEFS, and thus NOT being OPEN, is ABSURDITY, itself, to the highest degree.bahman wrote: ↑Sat Nov 20, 2021 4:04 pmI cannot be open to absurdity.Age wrote: ↑Fri Nov 19, 2021 10:14 pm LOL
LOL
LOL
We have NOT YET 'been through' this EVER. What has occurred, and continues to occur, is that you BELIEVE some thing is true, which means you are NOT OPEN to ANY thing else contrary.
Also, and by the way, because of what 'time' ACTUALLY IS, 'regress' is NOT even an issue AT ALL. But you will NEVER learn and understand this Fact, while you retain this BELIEF of yours here.
Also, INSTEAD of just saying, "I cannot be open to absurdity", how about you EXPLAIN what, EXACTLY, is absurd, to you, and then EXPLAIN how and why 'it' is absurd to you, then we will KNOW, for sure, what you are actually thinking about here.
Also, what can be CLEARLY SEEN here is ANOTHER GREAT EXAMPLE of what happens and occurs when one has and holds BELIEFS. That is; they are just NOT OPEN to ANY thing contrary to their BELIEF, even if the contrary is what IS ACTUALLY and IRREFUTABLY True.
Tell me what does infinity means? Then tell me how we could reach from infinite past to now.Age wrote: ↑Fri Nov 19, 2021 10:14 pmLOL
Your BELIEFS are STRIKINGLY CLEAR TO SEE HERE.
Now, YOUR CLAIM here is that I do NOT understand what 'infinity' means, but just be forewarned that what you think or BELIEVE is true is NOT necessarily true AT ALL. Just maybe I understand 'infinity', in relation to thee Universe, Itself, better or more than you do. We will just have to WAIT and SEE.
Do you understand the difference between finite and infinite? What is the difference?
It is not about if I can reach the beginning or not. It is about the beginning and whether if we can reach from the beginning to now. It is not about the person waiting. It is about a process.Age wrote: ↑Fri Nov 19, 2021 10:14 pmLOL
LOL
LOL
Is this the One and ONLY definition, which EVERY one HAS TO agree with AND accept?
Also, just because you can NOT reach some thing through thinking or UNDERSTANDING, does NOT mean that I am also UNABLE TO.
Once you learn and understand just what thee Universe ACTUALLY IS and how It ACTUALLY WORKS, then 'infinity', in relation to thee Universe, Itself, and NOW, is REACHED through thinking AND in understanding.
Also, just because some thing is finite does NOT mean that you can reach it. For example, can you reach the beginning of the finite earth?
If yes, then how, EXACTLY?
Or, can you even reach the beginning of the finite 'you'?
If yes, then how, EXACTLY?
Whatever.Age wrote: ↑Fri Nov 19, 2021 10:14 pmHere we have just MORE ATTEMPTS at DEFLECTION, and NO attempts at answering the CLARIFYING QUESTIONS posed to these people who BELIEVE the CLAIMS they make.bahman wrote: ↑Sat Nov 20, 2021 4:04 pmYou need to read the previous statement to see that the current statement would make sense to you.Age wrote: ↑Fri Nov 19, 2021 10:14 pm
LOL
LOL
LOL
So, I ask you, 'Do you have ANY idea of how there could even be an "initial point", and your response is because "We (whoever or whatever that refers to) live now.
Are you now able to inform us of HOW and WHY it, supposedly, "logically follows" that if we live now, then there MUST BE 'a beginning'?
Also, and by the way, OF COURSE there is 'a beginning', BUT what this ACTUALLY MEANS and refers to is NOTHING like what just about ALL of 'you', adult human beings, envision or think of, in the days when this was being written.
The reason WHY these people do NOT even attempt to answer the CLARIFYING QUESTIONS I pose to them is because if they did, Honestly, then they would CONTRADICT what they have previously stated and/or PROVE what they have previously stated is Wrong, False, or Incorrect.
Re: Why there is something instead of nothing?
OK. Thanks.vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Sat Nov 20, 2021 11:37 pmFFS. Edit your crap, for pity's sake.
Re: Why there is something instead of nothing?
Really. So your chair exists only intellectually?simplicity wrote: ↑Sat Nov 20, 2021 9:13 pmThe "something" only exists intellectually.bahman wrote: ↑Fri Nov 19, 2021 10:35 pmI agree with that but here we are arguing that why there is something at all.simplicity wrote: ↑Fri Nov 19, 2021 8:39 pm
There is neither something nor nothing...only transition.
Re: Why there is something instead of nothing?
Are you speaking for "yourself" or are you attempting to speak for EVERY one forever more?simplicity wrote: ↑Sat Nov 20, 2021 9:35 pmThis cannot be known intellectually because our minds cannot access it.Age wrote: ↑Sat Nov 20, 2021 12:22 amIf there is ONLY 'transition', which you are CLAIMING here, BUT there is neither something nor nothing, then what, EXACTLY, is 'transitioning'?simplicity wrote: ↑Fri Nov 19, 2021 8:39 pm
There is neither something nor nothing...only transition.
Who or what, exactly, does the 'our' word refer to here?simplicity wrote: ↑Sat Nov 20, 2021 9:35 pm We can only process so much information at a time [just a small sample of what reality is]. Our minds seem to be like a film where there are individual snapshots put together to make our movie.
What, exactly, are these 'minds' things, where, exactly, do they exist, and how, exactly, do they work?
And, how are the 'our' and 'minds' related, exactly?
I agree wholeheartedly with you that what you said here is NOT anywhere even close to what 'Reality' ACTUALLY IS.simplicity wrote: ↑Sat Nov 20, 2021 9:35 pm But this isn't anywhere close to what reality actually is [an infinite amount of information].
If you did NOT answer the CLARIFYING questions above in regards to these "mind" things, which you talk about here, then we will WAIT for that.simplicity wrote: ↑Sat Nov 20, 2021 9:35 pm This is why there are those who believe that accessing the non-intellectual is the way to go. Instead of being at the disadvantage of having such a poor processor and missing out on so much information, the non-intellectual takes what our minds can observe and without attempting to fill in the blanks [discrimination and interpretation on a large scale].
LOL So 'you', human beings, make up words to make sense of the words that you have already made up. Sounds far more confusing, to me, than things need to be.simplicity wrote: ↑Sat Nov 20, 2021 9:35 pm Transition is only a word we humans made-up to somehow make sense of the words and ideas preceding, but none of them have any basis in reality.
And, LOL ALL of those words that 'you', human beings, make up do NOT even have ANY basis in 'reality', anyway, which ALL sounds VERY UNNECESSARY, to me. But each to their own.
Is there ANY one who even thinks or believes otherwise?simplicity wrote: ↑Sat Nov 20, 2021 9:35 pm Things are what they are regardless of our meager attempts to intellectualize them.
What does the human being made up word, 'it' here refer to, exactly?
And, WHY do 'you', human beings, need words to help 'you' get through 'it'?
What is, supposedly, so hard and/or complex about getting through 'it' without words? And, is it only 'you', human beings, out of ALL of the animals who need help getting through 'it'? If yes, then WHY?
simplicity wrote: ↑Sat Nov 20, 2021 9:35 pm similar to how all animals have exceptional sense organs that allow them a better chance at survival , as well.
Re: Why there is something instead of nothing?
WHY do you make so many ASSUMPTIONS, BEFORE you gain CLARIFICATION?bahman wrote: ↑Sat Nov 20, 2021 11:47 pmYou still don't understand the difference between actual and possible.Age wrote: ↑Sat Nov 20, 2021 11:22 pmIf you EVER would like to delve into this FURTHER and DISCUSS this 'point', then I can PROVE to ANY one that because of the way thee One and ONLY Universe is RIGHT NOW, at ANY given point or moment, then this means that thee One and ONLY Universe could NOT be any different. Which also means the 'state of affair' could NOT be ANY thing ELSE.
But if you NEVER want to delve into this topic of discussion here, and just REMAIN with YOUR BELIEF ALONE, then PLEASE feel FREE TO. By you doing so is only PROVING another 'point' that I am more than happy to discuss over, AS WELL. The CHOICE is YOURS.
Oh, and by the way, considering the Fact that you are completely UNABLE to counter my CLAIM nor PROVE your BELIEF here, then if 'I' was 'you', then I would use that as a HINT and a GREAT LESSON to REMOVE the BELIEF and START becoming MORE OPEN to LISTENING and LEARNING MORE.
What is the difference between 'actual' and 'possible', to you.
Also, just maybe I do have some understanding of the difference between 'actual' and 'possible' and that is one of the reasons WHY I have written, what I ACTUALLY HAVE.
Anyway, you STILL have not yet even attempted to counter what I have said and written here.
LOL Is this all you can say here.
Are you at all able to PROVE your "No", and that "I am wrong"?
If yes, then will you?
If no, then WHY NOT?
I have an understanding. Do you understand the difference?bahman wrote: ↑Sat Nov 20, 2021 11:47 pmDo you understand the difference between actual and possible?Age wrote: ↑Fri Nov 19, 2021 10:14 pmThis all depends on what you are referring to, EXACTLY.
Also, and by the way, AGAIN, just because you BELIEVE some thing is true, and then write this BELIEF down, this does NOT, and I will repeat DOES NOT, necessarily make 'it' true AT ALL.
Did you read this AND comprehend this?
What it is IS; BECAUSE of what thee One and ONLY Universe is ESSENTIALLY and FUNDAMENTALLY made up of, and BECAUSE of how thee One and ONLY Universe ACTUALLY WORKS, this is WHY there could NEVER be ANY other possible 'world', NOR "state of affairs", as you say.
Once you learn and understand what thee One and ONLY Universe is made up and how It ACTUALLY WORKS, then you will also learn and understand the REASON AGAINST your 'possible world' theory or BELIEF.
If yes, and you did not answer before, then what is the difference between 'actual' and 'possible'?
You asked me a question, I gave you my answer.bahman wrote: ↑Sat Nov 20, 2021 11:47 pmWhat are you talking about?Age wrote: ↑Fri Nov 19, 2021 10:14 pmFor 'you', adult human beings, to firstly;
Become Truly responsible for your Wrong and ABUSIVE behaviors towards children, and then the 'world', by just being Truly Honest and OPEN by admitting the Wrong and ABUSE that you ALL do.
Secondly; Take responsibility by just seriously Wanting to CHANGE, for the better, for children's sake and doing this by doing EVERY thing you can to ACTUALLY CHANGE, for the better, for them.
Thirdly, STOP making ASSUMPTIONS and holding BELIEFS.
What do you want?
WHY will you NOT answer the questions I ask you?
LOLbahman wrote: ↑Sat Nov 20, 2021 11:47 pmYou don't understand my argument as usual. That is all.Age wrote: ↑Fri Nov 19, 2021 10:14 pmBut by holding BELIEFS, and thus NOT being OPEN, is ABSURDITY, itself, to the highest degree.
Also, INSTEAD of just saying, "I cannot be open to absurdity", how about you EXPLAIN what, EXACTLY, is absurd, to you, and then EXPLAIN how and why 'it' is absurd to you, then we will KNOW, for sure, what you are actually thinking about here.
Also, what can be CLEARLY SEEN here is ANOTHER GREAT EXAMPLE of what happens and occurs when one has and holds BELIEFS. That is; they are just NOT OPEN to ANY thing contrary to their BELIEF, even if the contrary is what IS ACTUALLY and IRREFUTABLY True.
LOL
LOL
What IS "your argument"?
This thread started with the question; "WHY is there something instead of nothing?"
What is there to 'argue' about here, EXACTLY?
And, in our discussion here most of it has just been about you BELIEVING that OTHER "worlds" and OTHER "state of affairs" could exist, which, by the way, is a COMPLETE DETRACTION from WHY there is something instead of nothing.
I am also trying to gain CLARIFICATION, from you, of WHY you CLAIM that there is NOT something, but STILL have proposed the question, "Why is there something instead of nothing?"
I can NOT tell you what the word 'infinity' means, as that is completely and utterly up to 'you'. But what I can do is provide you with the definition of the word 'infinity', from my perspective.bahman wrote: ↑Sat Nov 20, 2021 11:47 pmTell me what does infinity means?Age wrote: ↑Fri Nov 19, 2021 10:14 pmLOL
Your BELIEFS are STRIKINGLY CLEAR TO SEE HERE.
Now, YOUR CLAIM here is that I do NOT understand what 'infinity' means, but just be forewarned that what you think or BELIEVE is true is NOT necessarily true AT ALL. Just maybe I understand 'infinity', in relation to thee Universe, Itself, better or more than you do. We will just have to WAIT and SEE.
To me, the word 'infinity' means or refers to; the state or quality of being 'infinite'. With the word 'infinite' just meaning or referring to; limitless or endless .
We ACTUALLY reach from so-called "infinite past" to NOW the EXACT SAME we reach from so-called "infinite after" from NOW.
There is NO ACTUAL past NOR after. What ONLY ACTUALLY exists is the NOW.
But, if you were thinking some thing different, like for example, How could what exists NOW be followed, or traced, backwards in the past to a point BEFORE some made up "beginning"? Then, this is ALSO EXTREMELY SIMPLE AND EASY to do.
I have an understanding. Do you have an understanding?bahman wrote: ↑Sat Nov 20, 2021 11:47 pmDo you understand the difference between finite and infinite?
One refers to what is limited while the other one refers to what is limitless, and, one refers to what began and ends while the other one refers to never beginning nor ending, or just endless.
If you are NOT YET AWARE which one is which here, then just let me KNOW and I will INFORM you, okay?
Well it was YOU who was the ONE who said and wrote: Infinity by definition is unreachable opposite to finite.bahman wrote: ↑Sat Nov 20, 2021 11:47 pmIt is not about if I can reach the beginning or not.Age wrote: ↑Fri Nov 19, 2021 10:14 pmLOL
LOL
LOL
Is this the One and ONLY definition, which EVERY one HAS TO agree with AND accept?
Also, just because you can NOT reach some thing through thinking or UNDERSTANDING, does NOT mean that I am also UNABLE TO.
Once you learn and understand just what thee Universe ACTUALLY IS and how It ACTUALLY WORKS, then 'infinity', in relation to thee Universe, Itself, and NOW, is REACHED through thinking AND in understanding.
Also, just because some thing is finite does NOT mean that you can reach it. For example, can you reach the beginning of the finite earth?
If yes, then how, EXACTLY?
Or, can you even reach the beginning of the finite 'you'?
If yes, then how, EXACTLY?
But there is NO beginning (and there was NO ending) in relation to thee One and ONLY Universe, Itself.
So, what does the word 'it' here refer to, EXACTLY, in YOUR CLAIM that " 'it' is about the beginning"?
And, what does "the beginning" of that 'it' refer to, EXACTLY?
Then we can LOOK AT and DISCUSS if we can reach "that beginning to now", which will OBVIOUSLY all depend on what you mean or refer to by the word 'reach'
WHY did you say, " 'it' is not about the person waiting ", when NO has mentioned ANY thing about 'waiting' here? And, what does the 'it' word here refer to, EXACTLY?
Well this is EXACTLY what you are doing, and the EXACT reason WHY you are doing this. So, 'whatever' was the ONLY thing you could have said HERE-NOW.bahman wrote: ↑Sat Nov 20, 2021 11:47 pmWhatever.Age wrote: ↑Fri Nov 19, 2021 10:14 pmHere we have just MORE ATTEMPTS at DEFLECTION, and NO attempts at answering the CLARIFYING QUESTIONS posed to these people who BELIEVE the CLAIMS they make.
The reason WHY these people do NOT even attempt to answer the CLARIFYING QUESTIONS I pose to them is because if they did, Honestly, then they would CONTRADICT what they have previously stated and/or PROVE what they have previously stated is Wrong, False, or Incorrect.
You, OBVIOUSLY, could NOT refute what I have said and written here.
-
- Posts: 750
- Joined: Thu May 20, 2021 5:23 pm
Re: Why there is something instead of nothing?
The something is anything you wish it to be.Age wrote: ↑Sat Nov 20, 2021 11:37 pmBut what is the "something", which supposedly exists only intellectually?
And, what does the only exists intellectually "something" ACTUALLY exist within?
The mind.
And where does the mind exist? Now isn't that the million dollar question.
-
- Posts: 750
- Joined: Thu May 20, 2021 5:23 pm
Re: Why there is something instead of nothing?
Technically, yes.
-
- Posts: 750
- Joined: Thu May 20, 2021 5:23 pm
Re: Why there is something instead of nothing?
Age wrote: ↑Sun Nov 21, 2021 12:03 amsimplicity wrote: ↑Sat Nov 20, 2021 9:35 pmThis cannot be known intellectually because our minds cannot access it.What's the difference?simplicity wrote: ↑Sat Nov 20, 2021 9:35 pm We can only process so much information at a time [just a small sample of what reality is]. Our minds seem to be like a film where there are individual snapshots put together to make our movie.Remember, I am the guy who says we cannot know anything. This is pure speculation based upon experience not intellect.
What do you think?
I agree wholeheartedly with you that what you said here is NOT anywhere even close to what 'Reality' ACTUALLY IS.simplicity wrote: ↑Sat Nov 20, 2021 9:35 pm But this isn't anywhere close to what reality actually is [an infinite amount of information].simplicity wrote: ↑Sat Nov 20, 2021 9:35 pm This is why there are those who believe that accessing the non-intellectual is the way to go. Instead of being at the disadvantage of having such a poor processor and missing out on so much information, the non-intellectual takes what our minds can observe and without attempting to fill in the blanks [discrimination and interpretation on a large scale].Who is "we?"LOL So 'you', human beings, make up words to make sense of the words that you have already made up. Sounds far more confusing, to me, than things need to be.simplicity wrote: ↑Sat Nov 20, 2021 9:35 pm Transition is only a word we humans made-up to somehow make sense of the words and ideas preceding, but none of them have any basis in reality.
Yes, to each his own.
Re: Why there is something instead of nothing?
So, the "something" could be 'your chair', which, to you, exists ONLY "intellectually", correct?simplicity wrote: ↑Sun Nov 21, 2021 1:29 amThe something is anything you wish it to be.
If yes, then
'your chair' ACTUALLY exists within 'the mind', correct?
If you say so, but thee ONE and ONLY ACTUAL answer is FREE.simplicity wrote: ↑Sun Nov 21, 2021 1:29 am And where does the mind exist? Now isn't that the million dollar question.