Oh. You don't believe in the physical world, or in materials? You're an Idealist, then?RCSaunders wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 1:17 amIf you read more carefully you know I only believe in one complete no-contingent metaphysical existence.Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sun Aug 29, 2021 11:25 pmThen name the material substance from which they are made. Or you're a dualist.RCSaunders wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 1:30 pm
Please quote or link to where I have ever even suggested, "identity," "morality," "meaning," and "creativity," are not real. They are all quite real and all exist, but they do not exist metaphysically.
That's odd.As I said, "The metaphysical is all that exists and has the nature it has independent of anyone's knowledge or consciousness of it, that is, whether or not anyone is aware of its existence or knows its nature."
You've just tried to redefine the physical world as "metaphysical." You say it's independent of cognition, though...so it has to be, in some sense, physically objective... It's neither a form of Realism nor of Idealism. I can't even imagine what you mean by your application of the term "exists," then -- "exists" in what sense? Exists as an idea? Nope, it can't be that, given what you've said. "Exists" as an objective reality or a noumenal one? No, it can't be either, since it's "metaphysical," according to you. But it's "no[n-]contingent," and has a "nature"...
Nope. Can't get my head around that. You're going to have to explain how that's even possible.
Hmmm..."Quadruplism." That suggests you believe in four different "substances"? I know of nobody who's suggested such a thing. I see a bunch of contradictory claims, but I don't think I can make heads or tails of them.Since all of physical existents, living physical enitites, conscious living entities, and volitionally conscious human beings all exist and have the natures they have independent of anyone's knowledge or consciousness of them (with the exception of course of individual's own consciousness and knowledge) the metaphysical includes all physical, living, conscious, and rational entities. All physical attributes, life attributes, consciousness attributes, and mind attributes are perfectly natural metaphysical attributes of the same ontological existence, but are independent attributes. Call that whatever you like. Quadruplism perhaps.
Like, I can't even begin to unpack the claim, "volitionally conscious human beings all exist and have the natures they have independent of anyone's knowledge or consciousness of them (with the exception of course of individual's own consciousness and knowledge)." Why "of course"? There's nothing at all obvious about the exception or the reasons for it. And why should we think that nothing about "natures" (whatever is meant by that word) is "independent of" everyone's knowledge except the individuals?
Nope. There's something that either you're explaining very badly, or this is just not coherent in any language. I certainly can't make the claims add up.