Skepdick wrote: ↑Mon Jul 19, 2021 10:30 am
simplicity wrote: ↑Mon Jul 19, 2021 12:34 am
The
intellectual world is very complex, NOT the real world.
The real world is even more complex than the intellectual world. That is why we are not omniscient, omnipotent or omnipresent. That is why we have that ideal - we want to be!
No, the real world is Absolute Simplicity. We can access this non-intellectually but can never understand it becauase we lack the capacity.
Skepdick wrote: ↑Mon Jul 19, 2021 10:30 amThe intellectual world's primary goal is to manage complexity, because complexity is precisely what's going to kill us in the long run.
At least that what it believes it is doing. Complexity is human thinking, nothing else.
Everything comes and goes [including us].
simplicity wrote: ↑Mon Jul 19, 2021 12:34 am
And it's not that its too complex to understand, it's just too much information to process.
Skepdick wrote: ↑Mon Jul 19, 2021 10:30 amYes! That is a direct implication of the world's complexity! There is not enough computational resources to examine all the available information.
That is why we resort to heuristics like Mathematics. We equate things that are not really equal. We abstract away information that we think is not relevant so that we can reason about stuff in our heads.
The amount of information has little to do with its complexity. Here's an example. Say you are driving on the highway and a robust speed [80mph] and there's a lot of traffic. Every driver is having to process a great deal of information/react accordingly simply to stay alive. How is this person able to do this?
Now let's make our commute a little more interesting. Say there was a highway where there were no boundaries, that people in cars were going north, south, east, and west simultaneously. If people could process the amount of information necessary, they could all still be going 80mph and not crash into each other. Of course, their timing would have to be incredibly accurate, but it's not complexity that's the problem, it an information processing issue. In other words, people can accomplish this task at a four way stop-sign because they have slowed down the amount of information that needs to be processed. At this speed, complexity is not a problem. Increase the speed to even 1mph and calculating the variables becomes too much for people to handle [although it is no more complex that the 4 way stop-sign].
simplicity wrote: ↑Mon Jul 19, 2021 12:34 am
The good news is that there is another kind of understanding that is not so dependent on our limited intellect...that which exists before our discrimination kicks-in.
Skepdick wrote: ↑Mon Jul 19, 2021 10:30 amEven though you recently stated that understanding is not possible? Abstraction is NOT possible without discrimination! You have to choose what to ignore; and you have to choose what to amplify! That is discriminatory by definition.
I guess I should just go ahead and ask: do you think you understand understanding?
Unfortunately, we are stuck using intelligence to communicate so I will agree with you that I am breaking all the rules, but I would state that I have absolutely no understanding of any of this and that I [and everybody else] just makes it up as we go. Even those who appear to be the most intelligent among us will appear to be fools when their well thought out missives are seen for what they are in the not so distant future, i.e., total bullshit.