Here is a discussion to support the above;
When someone expressed an opinion or belief, there are corresponding real physical brain matters and processes that enable the opinion or belief.
Whether the opinion or belief is true or not to reality is a different issue.
1. When someone expresses "Abortion is morally wrong" he is expressing a statement which could be his opinion or beliefs which claims to represent reality.Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 12:15 pmNormally if someone says "Abortion is morally wrong" I'd say that they're giving their opinion, and I'd not expect that they believe it to be anything other than that unless they explicitly specify otherwise. It's not necessary for them to say "In my opinion" every time they state something like that. It should be understood that that's their opinion. The unusual idea would be if they're claiming that it's something other than their (or other persons') opinion(s). So I wouldn't say that those utterances move away from something factual. It's just that it's a fact of what their opinion happens to be. They're only moving away from something factual if they say that "Abortion is wrong independent of anyone's opinion."Peter Holmes wrote: However, the assertion 'Stravinsky is the best composer' expresses an opinion, as does the assertion 'abortion is morally wrong'. With these assertions, we've moved away from the factual, and therefore objectivity, and into the subjective. There is no feature of reality that is 'being the best composer' or 'being morally wrong' - which is why opinion, judgement or belief is all that can be appealed to to justify those assertions.
Just like my points above, there are physical brain matters and processes that correspond to the activity of making the expression "Abortion is morally wrong".
2. Take for example, the expression by someone 'killing is morally wrong'.
This expression like any expression is manifested from physical brain matters and processes that enable the expression 'killing is morally wrong' or any other expressions of opinions or beliefs.
3. The reality is the above expression of opinion 'killing is morally wrong' is represented by activities of the brain functions that enable one to make expressions of opinions and beliefs, i.e. involving the inference function, the linguistic functions, memory, concepts, etc.
4. However the expression 'killing is morally wrong' has nothing to do with [independent to] the inherent moral drivers and functions [humans ought not to kill humans] which has its separate corresponding physical referents in terms of its specific neural correlates and chemical activities.
5. This is what I meant when I insisted 'moral' judgments, decisions, opinions, beliefs are independent of morality-proper.
Judgments and Decisions are not Morality Per se.
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6. So there are two independent physical functions in the human brain on the issue of drivers in expressing 'moral opinions' and the real physical moral drivers.
7. The neural drivers for expressing opinions, beliefs can manifest all sorts of opinion and beliefs which need not be merely 'moral' related but can be any type of opinions or belief.
8. The physical moral drivers [represented by physical neurons and chemicals] in the brain drive moral matters only, e.g. inhibiting humans from killing humans. This inhibitor may be weaken or failed but that does not mean it do not exist in the brain.
Therefore real Physical Moral Drivers in the brain are Independent of 'Moral' Judgments, Decision, Opinions, Beliefs and related views.
Agree?