Belinda wrote: ↑Tue Oct 27, 2020 9:19 am
How would you "get rid of Islam" ? How does one get rid of any ideology? Your approach, to argue how the ideology is dangerous, is only one of the means to stop the criminals. I agree these verses in the Koran are potentially dangerous.
How did we suppress the ideology of Nazism? Because it is so obvious Nazism is laden with malignant evil and its consequences are very evident.
If you understand and realize there are evil laden verses in the Quran that are potentially dangerous, then logically, rationally and morally, you should agree the ideas and beliefs from these verses should be suppressed.
The problem is the majority of people do not understand the potential dangerous evil laden verse in the Quran.
Thus the solution is to educate the majority of the truth of these evil laden verses in the Quran that are potentially fatal to non-Muslims.
This is a difficult task but the majority must strive to do so.
I get the impression, because it is seemingly difficult, therefore we all should be resigned to allow the evil laden verses be active in the minds of Muslims and let things be.
I believe all concerned citizens of humanity should not just give up but strive to find foolproof solutions to the above problem.
However these verses are not what motivated the people who beheaded the school teacher; the murderers were motivated by perceived insult to Muhammad.
Even when you understand the evil laden verses are dangerous you don't seem to understand the significant impact of evil on the majority and humanity.
No Muslim would dare to behead and kill non-Muslims if there is no permission from Allah to do it.
The ONLY source of authority and permission from Allah for Muslims to kill non-Muslims for the slightest threat to Islam [in this case drawings of cartoons] is from the Quran and nowhere else.
So how come you are not aware it is the verses from the Quran [with permission from Allah] which motivate that Muslim to behead the school teacher.
I agree that particular Muslim [or in other cases] may have other secondary motivational factors [for money, politics] but the ultimately motivating factor where Muslims killed non-Muslims are from the Quran.
Some Muslims who had killed may even be totally ignorant of the Quranic verses, but they as Muslims trust their Islamic experts, preachers, teachers, etc. who are experts with the Quranic doctrines.
Are you familiar with the
Milgram Shock Experiments on Evilness?
https://www.simplypsychology.org/milgram.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOUEC5YXV8U
While the evil prone did not hesitate to deliver electrical shock to innocent victims [pseudo], even some goody-two-shoes also shocked the innocent victims.
The conclusion is because these goody-two-shoes were influenced by the approval of the authority [the scientist experimenters].
In real life, the Muslim state of eternal life or eternal death in Hell is at stake and held by Allah, Muslims will go all the way to please Allah in compliance with Allah's commands in the Quran. This is why we have goody-two-shoes who end up as suicide-bombers to the shock of their parents and relatives.
You agree there are evil laden verses in the Quran, thus SOME [if 20% - 300 million
] will strive to comply with these evil laden verses as their duty and to please Allah so that they are highly rewarded as promised in the Quran.
Therefore as long as Islam is active, there will always be evil prone Muslims being influenced and compelled to comply with the evil laden verses in the Quran in killing non-Muslims as a religious duty.
It is obvious to Muslims it's impractical and impossible to kill all the unbelievers, so the bad verses in the Koran are not the problem.
Why do you resort to 'all the unbelievers'? Why must be it "ALL".
Morally, even killing one humans is immoral.
But note the facts of what the evil verses in the Quran has manifested in the evil below [subject to refine checking];
Todate there are 37,981 incidents [with fatalities only] since 911 which probably involved >100,000 of deaths.
You think the above statistics in not a problem?
If there are uncertainty, we can half that and still that would be a problem.
The problem is people who want to stop free speech and who tell deliberate lies for their own advancement. Radicalised Muslims are part of the same problem as regimes such as Pakistan that punish 'blasphemy'. Regimes that punish 'blasphemy' are similar to regimes that sponsor nationalism in that they are all basically tribal, not universal, ideologies.
The school teacher's method was based on freedom of thought and speech while the murderous objecting parent and the killer disapproved of free speech and free thought. Freedom of thought and speech is consistent with universal interests, while curbs on free speech and free thought are consistent with tribal interests.
Radical Islam is only one of the many machines that curb free thought and free speech.
It is not the radical Muslims that is the primary factor in this case.
DNA wise, there are evil humans of different degrees [say 20%] within humanity.
That is 300 million evil prone Muslims.
When Allah in the Quran give commands and permissions in the Quranic verses for any Muslims to commit killing of non-Muslims these evil prone Muslims will very likely follow the given commands especially when eternal life or death is at stake plus such acts are preferred and highly rewarded.
Other religions recognized the natural evilness in humans and that is why all major religions -except Islam - has an overriding pacifist maxim to ensure NO believer can use the religion as an excuse to commit terrible evil acts, e.g. killing humans.
E.g. Christianity's 'love all even enemies' leave no permission nor room for Christian to kill non-Christians, it is the same with Buddhism 'compassionate to all' maxim and others.
It is only Islam where Allah [the ultimate authority] leave room and encourage Muslims to kill non-Muslims upon the slightest threats [even disbelief in Islam is a threat] to Islam.
This is how we ended with Muslims killing non-Muslims upon the
drawing of cartoons which are a threat to the religion of Islam; this killing of non-Muslims is obviously with permission from Allah as commanded in the Quran.