You're asking what I consider Self to be? A definition?
Source. Stillness. Timeless. Undefinable. Potential. Peace. Perfect contentment. Unchanging.
That which is looking through the eyes.
You're asking what I consider Self to be? A definition?
So it's not true that "The Sun that..." it's just a problem of your mind and as such it's not true that "all life and knowledge learnt will be gone"?Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 11:48 amYes, it's a mental creation, a dream. It's a story arising here now. That which in an instant appears, and is gone as it appears, is but the appearance of the mind. ...Arising_uk wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 10:46 amIsn't this just a creation of your mind?Dontaskme[/quote wrote: The sun that supports life on this planet will eventually expand into a red giant during the throes of it's ultimate death, vaporizing the earth and all life and knowledge learnt will be gone.....
And yet you still insist on posting things like, "The sun that supports life on this planet will eventually expand into a red giant during the throes of it's ultimate death, vaporizing the earth and all life and knowledge learnt will be gone"? This is what I mean by the contradictions in your words, thoughts and your metaphysic.If humans do spread to other solar systems successfully, which is a far out stretch to say the least, then obviously they will take their lives and knowledge with them. But it's going to take some unimaginable superior knowledge to pull off such a feat, but that's just another story that has not been written yet. This story is pending within the human mind, but I guess anything can be possible where there is a will and a way and a mind to make a potential possibilty an actuality. It's just that right now, we are not aware of such a reality not until we are actually experiencing and being it in realtime. We cannot experience anything beyond what we are doing NOW. Beyond NOW is unknowable.
Because I have done the actual experimentation, now I have the actual evidence and proof that it IS far easier to just let thoughts come and go. So it is not some thing just appears to be the case to me, but is the actual case to me.surreptitious57 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 12:11 pmIt would appear to be easier to just let thoughts come and down go of their own free will rather than suppress them completelyAge wrote:
I have been for the last few years practising to not have or avoid thoughts . I have progressed this to about three to four seconds
Once I learned to recognize and notice the thoughts which arise within this body to then stop thinking altogether I also think is near impossible
And as I have asked for clarity many times before alsom Why hold onto, or even have, any thought, which could be wrong anyway? And as I also ask; Why not just remain always OPEN in order to be able to LOOK AT and SEE what the Truth of things actual IS?surreptitious57 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 12:11 pmI have no real control over what comes into my mind but as I have said many times before I try not to hold onto them too much
Whilst you keep using the word 'mind' the way you are, you are being controlled significantly. To prove this to be the case show evidence of what this 'mind' thing actual IS, which you say you want thoughts in. You say you want this 'mind' thing to be active, which you say you want thoughts within, but, if 'you' can not fully explain this, then that infers 'you're do not FULLY understand ALL of this. If 'you' do not FULLY understand what you say is 'you' WANT, then could it be the case that actually 'you' are being controlled, and thus NOT actually in control of things your own 'self'? Remembering do 'you' even yet Know what thee Answer IS to that common question; 'Who am 'I', actually?'surreptitious57 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 12:11 pmI actually want thoughts in my mind in order to keep it active but at the same time I do not want them to control me
I think you will find in every waking moment there is no period of actual non-thinking. Even if there was a period of seemingly non-thinking there are thoughts for example like; "There are blockages," coming and going. The only real time there are periods of no thinking is when there is Knowing. The rest of the time are just periods of NOT recognizing the thoughts that come and go, or non-awareness.surreptitious57 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 12:11 pmMost of the time I have no trouble in just letting them pass but some times there is blockage but it goes quite quickly
Besides being 'undefinable' I agree with your considered/found/realization of Thy Real and True 'Self'.
To me, 'that' which looks through the human eyes only, and sees, is just the 'you', or more commonly known as just 'the human being'. These beings 'think' they are a real self, and in a sense, each individual one is a 'self', in and of its self. But, these ones are NOT the Real and True Self.
Arising_uk wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 3:36 pmAnd yet you still insist on posting things like, "The sun that supports life on this planet will eventually expand into a red giant during the throes of it's ultimate death, vaporizing the earth and all life and knowledge learnt will be gone"? This is what I mean by the contradictions in your words, thoughts and your metaphysic.
The mind knows itself as a conceptual thing. The mind comes and goes in no thing / nothingness.Arising_uk wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 3:36 pmSo it's not true that "The Sun that..." it's just a problem of your mind and as such it's not true that "all life and knowledge learnt will be gone"?
space is empty - the nearest stars are too far to get too.Arising_uk wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 10:46 am
Also it is not necessarily the case that all life and knowledge learnt will be gone as by that stage we could have spread to other solar systems.
Nope. Read up on Dyson and the Orion pusher-plate ships in the 50's.gaffo wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2019 5:06 amspace is empty - the nearest stars are too far to get too.Arising_uk wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 10:46 am
Also it is not necessarily the case that all life and knowledge learnt will be gone as by that stage we could have spread to other solar systems.
no technology will make a spaceship mulitgenerational for a 60,000 yrs to get to the nearest star -which may or may not have another earth around it.
we are stuck on Earth forever.
thems the facts.
Yes there IS.Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 8:41 amArising_uk wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 3:36 pmAnd yet you still insist on posting things like, "The sun that supports life on this planet will eventually expand into a red giant during the throes of it's ultimate death, vaporizing the earth and all life and knowledge learnt will be gone"? This is what I mean by the contradictions in your words, thoughts and your metaphysic.
There is no 'I' to think 'I am me'.
No it does NOT.
Can you provide any evidence for this claim?
But can stories remain, in print and/or thought, tomorrow?
If yes, then what is an 'unknown known'?
Just because the word 'ocean' does not know it is an ocean, or even the case that the ocean, itself, does not know it is an ocean, then that, in no way, infers that I do not know who, and what, 'I' am.
There IS and IS not I
How certain are you of this?Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 8:57 amThe mind knows itself as a conceptual thing. The mind comes and goes in no thing / nothingness.Arising_uk wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 3:36 pmSo it's not true that "The Sun that..." it's just a problem of your mind and as such it's not true that "all life and knowledge learnt will be gone"?
Yes I CAN Know and I DO Know Thy Self.
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 8:57 amTruth is there isn't any. The mind is a manifestation of the 'origin' or the 'source', just as everything else is.
What is the 'origin' / 'source' of every thing true/false? ... All true and false things/knowns ..originate from the same place which is out of nothing, apparently falling back into nothing Here Now.
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Because I AM the unknown known. NOWHERE.
From KNOWLEDGE that no one knows.
As certain as I am uncertain.Age wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 9:51 amHow certain are you of this?Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 8:57 amThe mind knows itself as a conceptual thing. The mind comes and goes in no thing / nothingness.Arising_uk wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 3:36 pmSo it's not true that "The Sun that..." it's just a problem of your mind and as such it's not true that "all life and knowledge learnt will be gone"?
Is this some thing which you are 'trying to' teach?
Is this another one of those 'nothing to learn' lessons?
Is "There is only the here and now" one of those no answer to life non-lesson?
But how do the ones who can not read and can not hear, know things?
But there was NOTHING at all to be solved, nor resolved, anyway.
How does a 'you' know what the truth IS?
No It is NOT.
But I KNOW 'Life'. There is NO 'unknown life'. Life does NOT evolve into an 'unknown death', nor even into a 'death'. This would just be impossible, unless of course, shown otherwise.
This sounds like you will 'try' just about any thing to 'try' to back up and support your already existing BELIEFS.