Do you think that sugar, for example, emits sweetness?
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I have no idea what you are even asking.
I have tasted sugar. It's sweet.
I have also tasted alcohol. It has a very distinct taste.
I have also tasted Carbon, Hydrogen or Oxygen. None of them are sweet. None of them have the taste of alcohol.
Sugar and Alcohol are both made of Carbon, Hydrogen or Oxygen atoms.
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Could we agree that sweetness is a property of sugar? If yes then sugar affects other things by its sweetness.Skepdick wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2019 8:31 amI have no idea what you are even asking.
I have tasted sugar. It's sweet.
I have also tasted alcohol. It has a very distinct taste.
I have also tasted Carbon, Hydrogen or Oxygen. None of them are sweet. None of them have the taste of alcohol.
Sugar and Alcohol are both made of Carbon, Hydrogen or Oxygen atoms.
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Do you think that sugar has the same structure as, the same weight as, and the same appearance as Carbon oxygen and hydrogen?bahman wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2019 2:26 pmCould we agree that sweetness is a property of sugar? If yes then sugar affects other things by its sweetness.Skepdick wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2019 8:31 amI have no idea what you are even asking.
I have tasted sugar. It's sweet.
I have also tasted alcohol. It has a very distinct taste.
I have also tasted Carbon, Hydrogen or Oxygen. None of them are sweet. None of them have the taste of alcohol.
Sugar and Alcohol are both made of Carbon, Hydrogen or Oxygen atoms.
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And yet even though consciousness will never be found in any list of brain components, it nevertheless not only makes an appearance once those components are arranged in just the right way, but it also presents itself as being the only reason for the existence of the brain in the first place.bahman wrote: ↑Tue Aug 27, 2019 1:04 pm We know the properties of matter which we assume there is no such thing as consciousness among them....
....The properties of matter are simply, mass, charge, spin, etc. The relation between these properties is mathematical, laws of physics, and it is exhaustive meaning that you cannot possibly have a specific configuration of matter that gives rise to a new property that is not listed.
bahman, there is absolutely nothing in your reply that even remotely addresses my question of why a perfectly reasonable (applicable) word such as “emergence” cannot be used to describe what is taking place as our unique individualization of personal consciousness “arises” (awakens, comes into being, emerges) from the non-conscious fabric of matter?
Now, as I said earlier, if you can think of a better word than “emergence” to describe that specific process, then let’s hear it.
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It doesn't help at all when there are many different processes that may produce the same outcome.
Because equifinality itself is an emergent phenomenon.
Or as it's colloquially used - there are many ways to skin a cat.
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Indeed, there are words to cover many possibilities.Skepdick wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2019 9:38 amIt doesn't help at all when there are many different processes that may produce the same outcome.
Because equifinality itself is an emergent phenomenon.
Or as it's colloquially used - there are many ways to skin a cat.
I wonder if the emergence of a unicorn is a possibility? Is there any way the emergence of such an animal could be accelerated by artificial selection, or some other human skill?
Of course, if we glued a horn onto a horse's head, and didn't look too closely, who'd know?