Room to move - things to explore...
The information content of nature
SCLx16 + select last LE per shuffle
Hand In Hand - Unconscious - Flowery - “You have brains in your head. You have feet in your shoes. You can steer yourself any direction you choose” - Cyborg Anthropology - I am not here to judge but to help sanction each individual - Stubborn - The Spiritual Essence - What survives to the next round - Elementary Conclusion - Micro Reflections of a Macro Reality - The characteristics of narrative consciousness - Invite The Bee To Land - Hellish - The Sun - There Is More To The Silence Than Meets The Ear
AP= Nature being the very instigator Tied To The Moon
[Selected from the invisible realm of the mind, and "presto!"]
RSP = SCLx2 + P&P + re
7:27
GM: The Spiritual Essence
Observed by Many
"Cats Whiskers." [very appealing]
The Fare On The Table
The Next Step
https://futurism.com/astrobiologists-ea ... WsMOmGhBkY'
"Celebration
Great Humour and Enjoyment"
Doubt
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yp60yUb6nYo
William: Yes - I used this technique recently - when I needed sleep during the afternoon, due to nearby construction noises in the 'hood.
The rain itself was noise but, noise close to nature - close enough that I could engage with it as helpful in assisting with my need to sleep.
My experience [opinion of] was that it is adequate to the task, although the sleep was broken every 15 mins or so, the pattern was up and down rather than uninterrupted.
Natures noises are often calming, but always sleep with one eye open
GM: There Is More To The Silence Than Meets The Ear
Nature being the very instigator
Wisdom
Still
The Shaping Of Reality
https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/ ... 7#p1073457
William: From the link;
GM: "Error Correcting CodesWilliam: As far as the evidence goes, the idea we are currently within some type of Holographic Experiential Reality Simulation isn't so far fetched as to be off the table...
Seeds: I like what you're saying there, VVilliam, however, I'm not a fan of the word "Simulation" when it comes to the workings of the universe.
"Illusion," yes. But "Simulation," not so much.
A "Simulation" of what?
William: I have seen this complaint before seeds, and it caused me to pause and reflect if that is the correct word to be using.
That is why I call it a 'reality simulation' as it is simulating a reality which can be experienced as real.
More to the point, whatever is experiencing it as real has to be conscious, so the only real thing in the whole HERS are the consciousnesses which are experiencing it.
If any illusion is going on regarding that, it is the idea that consciousness is the illusion and the universe is the real thing, which is the basic tenet of emergent theory and the overall message supporters of that theory, preach....
[SOURCE]
040422
The debate between theists and atheists
...because death comes a-knockin' eventually...
GM: Cultivate
"I'm Okay With That"
Self-discipline
WindBlown
Different ways of supporting the same objective.
Knowing
Nature
William: Indeed. If it could be seen as a natural enough occurrence, forgiveness can replace the shame of it all.
Or - said another way - "Our wounds are often the openings into the best and most beautiful part of us."
The idea of cultivating the thought "I'm Okay With That" to the point of being able to forgive "that" is equal to "knowing nature". It is not saying one is "okay" with something which is obviously pernicious but rather in doing something which is counter-destructive...
Put That Fire Out"
William: Recalibrating how one thinks = "Error Correcting Codes"
GM: Sounds
https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/ ... 6#p1082466
William: From the link;
GM: "Precognitive [having or giving foreknowledge of an event.]GM: Knowing:
"I think it was an ambush or surprise attack" - Aye...A name I call myself.
"This statement is true but cannot be proved"
Understanding the mind behind creation which is commonly referred to as "God"
Expansiveness
William: Self-realization...Militant messiah
GM: Ignore the Noise From The Peanut Gallery
William: and the noise from the chainsaw just starting up next door...
Happiness
Subconscious
Overall"
Coordinate Forgiveness
Potential
Called To Order
"A Space Without A Time..."
Plan
https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/ ... 4#p1083234
William: From the link;
GM: Existence[Replying to Bust Nak in post #663]If we do not know what something fundamentally is, but still refer to it as existing, it is conceptual in nature and of the mind.
Things of the mind are fundamentally unknown. They act as devices which also happen to assist us in understanding the physical universe.
So we use the concept of time, not as a means of understanding what time is [fundamentally] but how it relates to the physical universe.
How can time physically exist?So time itself, as opposed to our concept of time, can physically exist?
Does the mind physically exist? Is consciousness a physical thing that you can hold in your hand?
Is time something you can pick up off the floor and place on the table?
I said that time is a pointless concept in relation to forever.You said time cannot tick on forever.
What is doing the 'ticking'?
"Tracks in the Snow"
Apparent Contradictions in Relation to Biblical Beliefs
Produce/Make
[Without Judgement]
Phantasma [a perception of something that has no physical reality; of the mind;]
Metaphysics [branch of philosophy that studies the fundamental nature of reality, the first principles of being, identity and change, space and time, causality, necessity, and possibility.]
"Stay The Course"
Realisation:
"Turbulent"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ekH2gnqPY8
William: From the link
GM: [Taps just above glabella]There is an ancient story.. one that exists far beyond what we are told. A re-occurring theme in many ancient cultures and narratives all over the world. If this is indeed true, what does it mean for humanity?
"Collective Dynamics
Cease to exist"
Acceptance
Moon
Loving-kindness
Tied To The Moon
"We were not conscious of being a human for a time, but this does not mean that consciousness wasn't there.
The Nature of Angels
See the Signs"
"Choices
Reminding one of how it all started and the different stages one goes through."
Galaxies are like Islands...
Sweet Vibrations
How Can We Know
Around The Campfire?
Callum's Seventh Point
Timelessness vs infinite regress argument
William: Yes... a recent [and ongoing] conversation between Tanager [creator of the "Callum character] and myself;
GM: "Navigational AidsWilliam: I thought you agreed that there is no outside of GOD.
[Replying to The Tanager in post #685]
How can it be logically possible for GOD to create anything outside of GODs self?I said there was nothing outside of GOD and then this GOD created a distinct thing that was, in the very act of creation, outside of GOD.
Something "outside of GOD" contradicts "no outside of GOD."Where is the logical contradiction? We can’t have a square circle because of what “square” and “circle” mean. How does “create” logical contradict “something outside of GOD”?
Creating something new does not contradict "no outside of GOD."
Creating something new "outside of GOD", does.
If one does a little study on the Set one will discover that the infinite progression can be shown to run opposite [as infinite regression] which signifies that the point where the video begins is the same as the begin/end points which turn up throughout the eternally unfolding.How does that prove an infinite regression isn’t logically impossible? Your video begins and then progresses forever.
The idea of Creatio ex nihilo is exactly the same as the idea of Creation being built from something that already existed.
In other words, the thing that didn't exist before, was created from the stuff that has always existed.That is not creatio ex nihilo at all. The ex nihilo expressly means that it wasn’t built from something that already existed.But we know that it was built from something that already existed. GOD.My statement has to do with our overall conversation here. Do you want to end this conversation because 'the existence of a creator' hasn't been supported or carry on re the question "Do we exist within a creation?"No, you claim that. You haven’t supported it as being true.
When I wrote "we know that it was built from something that already existed" I was referring to Energy and QF [matter] and if these things fundamentally represent GOD [re theistic ideas about existing within a creation] then they may as well be be accepted by theists, in that attitude.
Of course. Not all theists agree on everything pertaining to existing within a creation. They agree that they exist within a creation.So by “Theists” do you mean “some Theists”?
It is what it is. You are saying that energy is not the same as spirit, but clearly no attributes in both are different. One is just thought of devoid of intelligence while the other is thought of as not being devoid of intelligence.Nope.Well, if true, that’s a big difference. Can you show energy to be intelligent?
What we can do is agree that the interaction between Energy and QF results in identifiable intelligent outcomes and take that as an indication that we may indeed be existing within a creation and therefore Energy and Matter may be intelligent, because they do not exist outside of GOD.
Clearly, neither theist or atheist belief re that has proven itself, so the Natural-Neutral position is to understand that both/all labels re "Energy" and "Spirit" are speaking about the same thing, albeit, differently, depending upon the position one is speaking from.Energy and QF refers to the nature of the universe, thus the "Natural" part.I don’t see how those being the same is the natural or neutral position. Why do you think that?
Re the question "Do we exist within a creation?", one remains neutral until such a time as nature reveals for certain, either way, thus the "Neutral" part
Rejuvenate
Healing The Beast"
Self-respect
William: Perhaps. Our interactions have been up and down and generally we disconnect on the down, but the pattern is that we also reconnect after a time, and try again...it is just the way the dynamics between Tanager and I have happened...
GM: Descriptive:
"Veil"
"The Design of The Universe"
"The Spirit of the Land"
https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/ ... 5#p1078885
William: From the link;
8:16[Replying to JoeyKnothead in post #58]
In theistic terms, The Heart is not only significant of the organ it is named for, but also - and especially in terms of Mysticism, The Heart refers to the motivating desires of the personality occupying the same body.
Thus, the "hardening of the heart" is about that aspect, re the storyline, as far as can be told.
The Jewish inflection re the storyline is concerned with the idea that supposes the God influences from a position outside of the personalities own perspective and this idea of separation is what brings about such concepts as a god-being interfering/interacting from an outside position, which in turn allows for the idea that the god isn't as good as the story-tellers try to make him out to be, due to how the believers attempt to reconcile the obvious contradictions with their love for such an idea of a Creator-GOD.
This is a type of Stockholm Syndrome as it can be regarded as a coping mechanism to a captive or abusive situation these ideas of GOD produce within the individual, to varying yet still related degrees.
I suspect the whole purpose of the Jewish [and following-on Abrahamic religions] ideas of GOD was to establish a human hieratical system which largely prevents believer and non-believer alike, from accessing possibly [more likely] truer ideas as to how such a GOD-beings' consciousness actually operates in relation to individual human consciousnesses...
It is wise to find a way in which to circumnavigate such obstacles, rather than settle for these being the criteria to which we all have no choice but to submit to.
Well...I think so anyway.