Moral Relativism Implied Moral Objectivity

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Moral Relativism Implied Moral Objectivity

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What I am proving is,
Moral Relativism implied Moral Realism and Moral Objectivity.

What is Moral Relativism?
  • Moral relativism or ethical relativism (often reformulated as relativist ethics or relativist morality) is used to describe several philosophical positions concerned with the differences in moral judgments across different peoples and cultures.
    An advocate of such ideas is often referred to as a relativist for short.

    Descriptive moral relativism holds only that people do, in fact, disagree fundamentally about what is moral, with no judgment being expressed on the desirability of this.
    Meta-ethical moral relativism holds that in such disagreements, nobody is objectively right or wrong.[1]
    Normative moral relativism holds that because nobody is right or wrong, everyone ought to tolerate the behavior of others even when large disagreements about morality exist.[2]
    Said concepts of the different intellectual movements involve considerable nuance and aren't absolute descriptions.
Moral Relativism is not Moral Nihilism.
  • Moral nihilism (also called ethical nihilism) is the meta-ethical view that nothing is morally right or morally wrong and that morality doesn't exist.[1][2]
    Moral nihilism is distinct from moral relativism, which allows for actions to be wrong relative to a particular culture or individual.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_nihilism
The point is a moral relativist believes morality per se exists but only different people have different views of what morality should be.

What Moral Relativists are ignorant is their claims of moral relativism implied moral realism as demonstrated as follow;

Analogies:

1. The Senses, Sense Relativism and Sense-"objectivity"
From the common sense perspective, what is sensed is often subjective and relative. Thus we have Sense-Relativism.
For example, what is tasty to one person may not be tasty to another person. For all humans the same thing may have different subjective tastes either individually or by groups.
It is the same for all the other senses of sight, smell, touch, and hearing.
There is obvious sense-Relativism.
In this common sense case, there are no sensual facts.

But from the science-biology FSR-FSK, there are sensual facts that are represented by the physical sense organs, related physical correlates of neurons and neural algorithms in the body and brain.
It is undeniable, there are objective facts of the senses conditioned upon the science-biology FSR-FSK and the sense-FSK*underlying sense-relativism.
As such, there is something invariant that underlies the various variations expressions of the individuals and groups.
The human-based sense FSR-FSK is inputted into different fields, e.g. cognitive science, psychology, neurosciences, and others in enabling their respective objective FSK-ed facts.

2. The Emotions. Emotion Relativism and Emotion Objectivity
Just as the senses, the emotional responses to the same event or triggering stimuli are different between individuals and groups.
But from the science-biology FSR-FSK, there are emotional facts that are represented by the physical sense organs, related physical correlates of neurons and neural algorithms in the body and brain.
It is undeniable, there are objective facts of the emotions conditioned upon the science-biology FSR-FSK underlying emotional-relativism.
As such, there is something invariant [objective] that underlies the various variations expressions of the individuals and groups.
The human-based emotional FSR-FSK is inputted into different fields, e.g. cognitive science, psychology, neurosciences, and others in enabling their respective objective FSK-ed facts.

From the above,
Moral Relativism do not deny the existence of morality as part of human nature except they have different expression which are relative just like those of the sense and emotions.
But like the analogies of the senses and emotions there are invariant moral elements that are represented the physical sense organs, related physical correlates of neurons and neural algorithms in the body and brain.
Unlike the senses and the emotions, science has not made serious advances into these physical feature yet, except with clues from physical mirror neurons related to empathy is some regard.

There is moral relativism or different moral manifestations but there is no denial they are driven by invariant physical elements that enable the common moral propensities, proclivities, tendencies, inclinations, predispositions, etc. toward moral activities.
Under consideration of a human-based morality-proper FSR-FSK, these invariant physical elements are objective moral facts.

Therefore moral relativism implied moral objectivity at the underlying level [science-biological & moral FSK] which the moral relativists are ignorant of.

To Moral Relativists:
Do not keep harping on moral relativism as absolute when what is moral objectivity is pre-existing internally in yourself.

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I've been thinking, what is it that makes VA threads so popular? And then I realized that many people like to do something fun, once a day, every day. Some people solve a Sudoku every day. Or play a Wordle game once a day, or play a game of chess, or whatever.

And we like to play 'spot the fallacy' once a day. VA posts at least one thread every day, you click on it, read the OP, challenge yourself to spot the fallacy, get the endorphine rush if you are successful, and then get on with your day. It's rather addictive really.
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Veritas Aequitas wrote: Wed Oct 11, 2023 10:14 am What I am proving is,
Moral Relativism implied Moral Realism and Moral Objectivity.

What is Moral Relativism?
  • Moral relativism or ethical relativism (often reformulated as relativist ethics or relativist morality) is used to describe several philosophical positions concerned with the differences in moral judgments across different peoples and cultures.
    An advocate of such ideas is often referred to as a relativist for short.

    Descriptive moral relativism holds only that people do, in fact, disagree fundamentally about what is moral, with no judgment being expressed on the desirability of this.
    Meta-ethical moral relativism holds that in such disagreements, nobody is objectively right or wrong.[1]
    Normative moral relativism holds that because nobody is right or wrong, everyone ought to tolerate the behavior of others even when large disagreements about morality exist.[2]
    Said concepts of the different intellectual movements involve considerable nuance and aren't absolute descriptions.
Moral Relativism is not Moral Nihilism.
  • Moral nihilism (also called ethical nihilism) is the meta-ethical view that nothing is morally right or morally wrong and that morality doesn't exist.[1][2]
    Moral nihilism is distinct from moral relativism, which allows for actions to be wrong relative to a particular culture or individual.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_nihilism
The point is a moral relativist believes morality per se exists but only different people have different views of what morality should be.

What Moral Relativists are ignorant is their claims of moral relativism implied moral realism as demonstrated as follow;

Analogies:

1. The Senses, Sense Relativism and Sense-"objectivity"
From the common sense perspective, what is sensed is often subjective and relative. Thus we have Sense-Relativism.
For example, what is tasty to one person may not be tasty to another person. For all humans the same thing may have different subjective tastes either individually or by groups.
It is the same for all the other senses of sight, smell, touch, and hearing.
There is obvious sense-Relativism.
In this common sense case, there are no sensual facts.

But from the science-biology FSR-FSK, there are sensual facts that are represented by the physical sense organs, related physical correlates of neurons and neural algorithms in the body and brain.
It is undeniable, there are objective facts of the senses conditioned upon the science-biology FSR-FSK and the sense-FSK*underlying sense-relativism.
As such, there is something invariant that underlies the various variations expressions of the individuals and groups.
The human-based sense FSR-FSK is inputted into different fields, e.g. cognitive science, psychology, neurosciences, and others in enabling their respective objective FSK-ed facts.

2. The Emotions. Emotion Relativism and Emotion Objectivity
Just as the senses, the emotional responses to the same event or triggering stimuli are different between individuals and groups.
But from the science-biology FSR-FSK, there are emotional facts that are represented by the physical sense organs, related physical correlates of neurons and neural algorithms in the body and brain.
It is undeniable, there are objective facts of the emotions conditioned upon the science-biology FSR-FSK underlying emotional-relativism.
As such, there is something invariant [objective] that underlies the various variations expressions of the individuals and groups.
The human-based emotional FSR-FSK is inputted into different fields, e.g. cognitive science, psychology, neurosciences, and others in enabling their respective objective FSK-ed facts.

From the above,
Moral Relativism do not deny the existence of morality as part of human nature except they have different expression which are relative just like those of the sense and emotions.
But like the analogies of the senses and emotions there are invariant moral elements that are represented the physical sense organs, related physical correlates of neurons and neural algorithms in the body and brain.
Unlike the senses and the emotions, science has not made serious advances into these physical feature yet, except with clues from physical mirror neurons related to empathy is some regard.

There is moral relativism or different moral manifestations but there is no denial they are driven by invariant physical elements that enable the common moral propensities, proclivities, tendencies, inclinations, predispositions, etc. toward moral activities.
Under consideration of a human-based morality-proper FSR-FSK, these invariant physical elements are objective moral facts.

Therefore moral relativism implied moral objectivity at the underlying level [science-biological & moral FSK] which the moral relativists are ignorant of.

To Moral Relativists:
Do not keep harping on moral relativism as absolute when what is moral objectivity is pre-existing internally in yourself.

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I challenge you -- I dare you -- to bring this down out of the theoretical clouds, take it over to the Applied Ethics board and, there, in regard to a moral conflagration of your choice, we explore the components of your moral philosophy as opposed to my own.

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