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marjoram_blues
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Hyphens: the importance of

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Well, what a difference a hyphen makes.

Try searching through the PN magazine for 'hardwired' ( 5 results) and 'hard-wired' (12) and not even an overlap between the articles ( as far as my quick skip through could tell).

I wonder if this difference is problematic at a higher academic level- or even at a general level of understanding meaning...

To hyphen, or not-to-hyphen...
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Surprisingly or maybe not there’s a lot a to be said for our friends the Hyphens.

They can open the door to counter-intuitive associations leading to truth, though time-lag of reception can make the path may be a-long a winding road.

15-round fight
15 round-fight

*

The Commas are cool too.

As the bard said: that that is is.

Breaking the rules makes more sense when the rules are known.
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I'm afraid that is one of my issues. I have to over-rely on my spell check, which often falters on them. Example; did I need the hyphen there? Some words seem okay separated, hyphenated, or together.
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Dalek Prime wrote:I'm afraid that is one of my issues. I have to over-rely on my spell check, which often falters on them. Example; did I need the hyphen there? Some words seem okay separated, hyphenated, or together.
No. You needed to delete the word, "over."

Over and out.
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Walker wrote:
Dalek Prime wrote:I'm afraid that is one of my issues. I have to over-rely on my spell check, which often falters on them. Example; did I need the hyphen there? Some words seem okay separated, hyphenated, or together.
No. You needed to delete the word, "over."

Over and out.
No, I need to delete your unhelpful post. I over-rely on the spell check to suggest hyphenation or no, not just rely on it.
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I use lots of hyphens. I don't think there is a grammatical rule about hardwired/ hard-wired, since it's a made-up word that, furthermore, was made up by engineers, who are not, as a general rule, ardent disciples of Grammar. When it was later adopted/ adapted by neurobiology/ neuro-biologists, they may have agreed upon a convention for its use. But I never got the memo.
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Skip wrote:I use lots of hyphens. I don't think there is a grammatical rule about hardwired/ hard-wired, since it's a made-up word that, furthermore, was made up by engineers, who are not, as a general rule, ardent disciples of Grammar. When it was later adopted/ adapted by neurobiology/ neuro-biologists, they may have agreed upon a convention for its use. But I never got the memo.
I kinda like a slash/forward slash as well. Perhaps it's because I'm lazy/indecisive ?
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Walker wrote:Surprisingly or maybe not there’s a lot a to be said for our friends the Hyphens.

They can open the door to counter-intuitive associations leading to truth, though time-lag of reception can make the path may be a-long a winding road.

15-round fight
15 round-fight

*

The Commas are cool too.

As the bard said: that that is is.

Breaking the rules makes more sense when the rules are known.
Iz fun 2 rule-brake
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Dalek Prime wrote:I'm afraid that is one of my issues. I have to over-rely on my spell check, which often falters on them. Example; did I need the hyphen there? Some words seem okay separated, hyphenated, or together.
Why is hyphenating or non hyphenating/ non-hyphenating an issue for you? Because you need to be correct? Or is it the aesthetics?
Or the change in meaning, as Walker illustrated.

All-of-the-above. Wonder how much an abuse of the hyphen annoys people?
What punctuation mark has the most potential to grate on nerves.
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Skip wrote:Jo?
Eh?
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marjoram_blues wrote:
Dalek Prime wrote:I'm afraid that is one of my issues. I have to over-rely on my spell check, which often falters on them. Example; did I need the hyphen there? Some words seem okay separated, hyphenated, or together.
Why is hyphenating or non hyphenating/ non-hyphenating an issue for you? Because you need to be correct? Or is it the aesthetics?
Or the change in meaning, as Walker illustrated.

All-of-the-above. Wonder how much an abuse of the hyphen annoys people?
What punctuation mark has the most potential to grate on nerves.
I do like to be correct on my writing, yes. A bit of a perfectionist, hence I'll go back and edit posts for little mistakes, when I note them.

As long as punctuation is used properly to separate and distinguish what one is saying, it doesn't bother me too much.
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When writing originated anciently there was no punctuation nor capitalization. Everything written was just one long run-on sentence.

This is most apparent now if you read ancient Hebrew or ancient Greek -- both available as the original transcriptions of the Christian Bible -- which is a combination of the Hebrew Tenakh and the Greek New Testament.

Even to this day Hebrew uses no lower case letters.

And Greek lower case was invented during the 15th Century transcriptions of the Greek New Testament to make the transcription go faster, and still there was no punctuation.

Grammar/Syntax conventions have arisen since then in English as in other European languages, including periods, commas, and hyphens.

Hyphens are punctuation that should be used if there is ambiguity without them. If not they should be dropped.

The evolution of new modern words usually goes through a hyphenation stage until the words finally end up combined.

Good example in English:

To morrow.

To-morrow.

Tomorrow.
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yiostheoy wrote:When writing originated anciently there was no punctuation nor capitalization. Everything written was just one long run-on sentence.

This is most apparent now if you read ancient Hebrew or ancient Greek -- both available as the original transcriptions of the Christian Bible -- which is a combination of the Hebrew Tenakh and the Greek New Testament.

Even to this day Hebrew uses no lower case letters.

And Greek lower case was invented during the 15th Century transcriptions of the Greek New Testament to make the transcription go faster, and still there was no punctuation.

Grammar/Syntax conventions have arisen since then in English as in other European languages, including periods, commas, and hyphens.

Hyphens are punctuation that should be used if there is ambiguity without them. If not they should be dropped.

The evolution of new modern words usually goes through a hyphenation stage until the words finally end up combined.

Good example in English:

To morrow.

To-morrow.

Tomorrow.
That's the convention I generally go by. Interesting post. English fascinates me, which is why I find yanklish so offensive.
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