Science , Fiction or Fact

[attofishpi]

The evidence is on its way.

Is that the theological equivalent of "the cheque's in the post?"

maybe atto is waiting for the second coming ,
don't hold your breath , my mum who's 87 was told the same nonsense when she was a child ,
and every generation since the silly bible was written,
one thing I have noticed ,
is the religious amongst us , talk in riddles and avoid saying what their belief system is . I'm happy to explain I'm an Atheist , and proud of it ,
religious have threads about the "truth" and try and rationalize that everything is true ,
even religion ,
when any adult with a brain can see it is hearsay , fantasy ,
and of no value ...

Its funny and at times tedious being in my position and knowing God exists without a shred of doubt.

Im an honourable man. The cheque will arrive at the end of February.

[Godfree]

Its funny and at times tedious being in my position and knowing God exists without a shred of doubt.

mighty big claim ,,,but rather than just make hollow statements ,
why not tell us what has left you without a doubt ,
what proof , example that couldn't be interpreted any other way ,
have you got that would persaud myself or anyone here that god is real ,???
what is your "knowing" and how did you get to "know"
is this a universally accepted ,"knowing"
or is this your own version of proof ,,???
Godfree's fourth Law ,,
"Reality is a blank page ,if you want to put god on that page you first have to prove it exists"
it is not up to the Atheists to prove god doesn't exist ,
it is up to the claimant , the religious , to prove such a thing exists , because ,
we don't assume god exists and then have to prove it either way ,we assume nothing , and believe what we can prove ..
so where is your proof Atto , show me just one shred of proof ,,!!!!!!!

[Hanuman]

Well, explaining what has left him no doubt is a bit much to ask. But, I would be happy just for clarification of the heaven/hell thing. This boggles my mind. How would a benevolent god sentence someone to eternal torment for the actions he performed in the 100 or so years (or less), on earth? I know drug dealers who would be more charitable.

[attofishpi]

Well, explaining what has left him no doubt is a bit much to ask. But, I would be happy just for clarification of the heaven/hell thing. This boggles my mind. How would a benevolent god sentence someone to eternal torment for the actions he performed in the 100 or so years (or less), on earth? I know drug dealers who would be more charitable.

I totally agree. You can take the buybull literally if you like. Or you can be a little wiser than the average sheep.

Please do wait for the cheque.

[Arising_uk]

If I remember right I'm still waiting for my check from you?

[Godfree]

Well, explaining what has left him no doubt is a bit much to ask. But, I would be happy just for clarification of the heaven/hell thing. This boggles my mind. How would a benevolent god sentence someone to eternal torment for the actions he performed in the 100 or so years (or less), on earth? I know drug dealers who would be more charitable.

As a child I looked at the world and thought , "if a gods in control of this , it's not a very nice god , I wouldn't want to know such a thing " .
look at all the human made misery , then we have nature ,
just in the last few years we have had several large losses of life ,
if gods in control of this world , god likes death and suffering ,
I believe Jeff Beck did a song about it , "god likes war" ,
if gods as all powerful as they say it is , it is doing this on purpose ,
gods a gore freak , maybe they had it right at the Collasium ,
throw the christians to the lions , I'm bored ,
blood and guts for entertainment ,
if there is a god , it's a pretty sick individual ,,!!!

[attofishpi]

If I remember right I'm still waiting for my check from you?

Another seniors moment perhaps?

[attofishpi]

Well, explaining what has left him no doubt is a bit much to ask. But, I would be happy just for clarification of the heaven/hell thing. This boggles my mind. How would a benevolent god sentence someone to eternal torment for the actions he performed in the 100 or so years (or less), on earth? I know drug dealers who would be more charitable.

As a child I looked at the world and thought , "if a gods in control of this , it's not a very nice god , I wouldn't want to know such a thing " .
look at all the human made misery , then we have nature ,
just in the last few years we have had several large losses of life ,
if gods in control of this world , god likes death and suffering ,
I believe Jeff Beck did a song about it , "god likes war" ,
if gods as all powerful as they say it is , it is doing this on purpose ,
gods a gore freak , maybe they had it right at the Collasium ,
throw the christians to the lions , I'm bored ,
blood and guts for entertainment ,
if there is a god , it's a pretty sick individual ,,!!!

Reality is a convoluted apparition of the Truth.

At the end of all that shit...it is still nicer to know there is a God, than that there isn't.

[Hanuman]

Reality is a convoluted apparition of the Truth.

At the end of all that shit...it is still nicer to know there is a God, than that there isn't.

A bit of irony there, considering leaders have used religion to enslave, to fight wars, and even to commit genocide.

Believe what you want. I just find it hard to argue intelligently with someone whose position is, "Trust me, I'm sure I'm right"

[Godfree]

Reality is a convoluted apparition of the Truth.

At the end of all that shit...it is still nicer to know there is a God, than that there isn't.

A bit of irony there, considering leaders have used religion to enslave, to fight wars, and even to commit genocide.

Believe what you want. I just find it hard to argue intelligently with someone whose position is, "Trust me, I'm sure I'm right"

To know there is a god ,,???
can we know something that has no proof ,
should that be described as "believe" or "want"
so Atto feels nicer believing that god is real , than not believing ,
NOTHING TO DO WITH REALITY ,
Atto feels nicer ,
thats all that matters ,Atto can sleep easy "knowing" his big daddy in the sky will look after him,
have you ever thought you might try becoming an adult ,
you would have to give up "knowing " things like that ,
and only "believe" in things we can prove ,
but I'm sure you could handle it , be brave , give it a go ,!!!

[Arising_uk]

Another seniors moment perhaps?

Ah! Yes. It was info who was writing the checks last time.

[attofishpi]

A bit of irony there, considering leaders have used religion to enslave, to fight wars, and even to commit genocide.

Believe what you want. I just find it hard to argue intelligently with someone whose position is, "Trust me, I'm sure I'm right"

It is ironic. Mans foolishness to follow such leaders.

Re the existence of God...'trust me, i'm sure i'm right'...isn't quite correct
(i know i'm right.)

[attofishpi]

To know there is a god ,,???
can we know something that has no proof ,
should that be described as "believe" or "want"
so Atto feels nicer believing that god is real , than not believing ,
NOTHING TO DO WITH REALITY ,
Atto feels nicer ,
thats all that matters ,Atto can sleep easy "knowing" his big daddy in the sky will look after him,
have you ever thought you might try becoming an adult ,
you would have to give up "knowing " things like that ,
and only "believe" in things we can prove ,
but I'm sure you could handle it , be brave , give it a go ,!!!

'Can we know something that has no proof'
- an individual can know something, but may not be able to prove it

'thats all that matters ,Atto can sleep easy "knowing" his big daddy in the sky will look after him'
- that 'big daddy' has put me through tests i would not want my worst enemy to endure. At times I have hated 'it' beyond all comprehension.
- at the end of the day the wise counsel of Christ rings true 'to hate God is to love death' ...'love God with all your heart'

[Godfree]

Atto , an individual can know something but may not be able to prove it ,
then could know be the wrong term ,
you think something ,
you believe something ,
you assume something ,
in your experience something , but know suggests you have proof ,
you can say you know god exists because you have personally experienced it ,,
but of course you might be insane like most of the world ,
and then the sane rest of the world will dismiss your "knowing " as the delusional raving of a madman .
currently the crazies have still got the numbers on sanity ,
and at out current rate of madness expansion ,
we will be entrenched in the madness that is religion ,
for some time to come ,,!!
so while you may feel normal being part of the madness ,
it's a dead end and eventually we will move on ...

[attofishpi]

Atto , an individual can know something but may not be able to prove it ,
then could know be the wrong term ,
you think something ,
you believe something ,
you assume something ,
in your experience something , but know suggests you have proof ,

That is absurd. One can KNOW something but have no way of proving it to another soul. It does not negate the condition of it being TRUE.

you can say you know god exists because you have personally experienced it ,,
but of course you might be insane like most of the world ,
and then the sane rest of the world will dismiss your "knowing " as the delusional raving of a madman .
currently the crazies have still got the numbers on sanity ,
and at out current rate of madness expansion ,
we will be entrenched in the madness that is religion ,
for some time to come ,,!!
so while you may feel normal being part of the madness ,
it's a dead end and eventually we will move on ...

I truly wish the entire world were atheist myself.
Apart from the ensuing inevitable consequence of the wrath of God (for living a naughty life) ('He' 'It' did warn us)

You wont believe this but it rather amuses me. I once asked God if 'He' prefers atheists, to which the reply was 'right' with three taps on my right knee.