bahman wrote: ↑Wed Jan 03, 2024 2:21 pm
Age wrote: ↑Wed Jan 03, 2024 5:06 am
bahman wrote: ↑Tue Jan 02, 2024 3:44 pm
Your explanation of the Big Bang is wrong.
you can say and claim this, but being able to back up and support this is a whole other matter.
Are you able to back up and support your claim here?
If yes, then will you do it?
If no, then why not?
bahman wrote: ↑Tue Jan 02, 2024 3:44 pm
We still do not have the quantum theory of gravity so we cannot describe the Big Bang but the points after.
The actual reason you cannot describe the 'big bang' is because of the Truly absurd, illogical, and nonsensical claims made in regards to that 'one bang'.
As I said we still don't have the quantum theory of gravity so we cannot talk about the Big Bang but what comes after.
But your we is different from our we.
Do you comprehend and understand this?
If no, then we do have what you say and claim you do not have?
Is this understood, by you?
bahman wrote: ↑Wed Jan 03, 2024 2:21 pm
Age wrote: ↑Tue Jan 02, 2024 3:15 pm
bahman wrote: ↑Tue Jan 02, 2024 3:44 pm
Moreover, I asked for proof that the universe did not have a beginning.
And, as i have already informed you, while one is believing something is true, then it is an impossibility for that one to see and recognize absolutely any proof, which counters or refutes what they are believing to be true.
How many times does this need to be re-repeated before it is comprehended and understood?
See, I can and will provide proof, which obviously some will see and understand, but you will not see and comprehend it.
Where is your proof? Why do you evade?
I have already presented some of it.
And, as I have already mentioned, you will not see and comprehend it.
Can you see and comprehend this?
bahman wrote: ↑Wed Jan 03, 2024 2:21 pm
Age wrote: ↑Tue Jan 02, 2024 1:48 pm
bahman wrote: ↑Tue Jan 02, 2024 3:44 pm
The Big Bang is a term that defines the initial state of the universe.
So,
What did the big bang come from exactly?
How did the big bang form, exactly?
What created the big bang?
What set off the big bang, exactly?
What was the big bang made up of, exactly?
Answer these, then I will ask the rest, of which, by the way, the answers to I already know.
Big bang could simply exist at the beginning. So it does not come from anything else.
Once again, here we see, once more, another example of whilst one is believing something is true, then they are not open to see what is actually True.
Every time you claim that there was 'the beginning' you are not open to the fact that there might not have been 'a beginning' at all. And whilst you are not open, then you are not able to find and see what the actual Truth of things are, exactly.
bahman wrote: ↑Wed Jan 03, 2024 2:21 pm
Age wrote: ↑Tue Jan 02, 2024 1:48 pm
bahman wrote: ↑Tue Jan 02, 2024 3:44 pm
Yes.
So, to you, 'time' was already existing at the big bang, right?
We are not sure about the structure of spacetime in the beginning since we still don't have the quantum theory of gravity.
Once again, your we is different than our, or my, we.
We are sure about the structure of so-called 'spacetime'.
We know, for sure, what 'the beginning' is, exactly, which by the way is absolutely nothing like what you imagine and believe it is.
As for you not having the so-called 'quantum theory of gravity', then okay. But for the rest of us that supposed thing was not needed to know what the actual Truth is.
bahman wrote: ↑Wed Jan 03, 2024 2:21 pm
Age wrote: ↑Tue Jan 02, 2024 1:48 pm
bahman wrote: ↑Tue Jan 02, 2024 3:44 pm
It is wrong to say that the universe
was existing at one point, the beginning.
So, you say and claim the Universe began, and, the Universe simply existed, at the beginning, but the Universe was not existing.
Because obviously if it is wrong for you to say the Universe 'was existing', then it must be right for you to the Universe 'was not existing'.
For surely, the Universe could neither be both nor not be neither, right?
Or, in that head is this actually a possibility?
No, I am saying that singularity just existed at the beginning.
'A beginning' with no duration, to you, correct?
bahman wrote: ↑Wed Jan 03, 2024 2:21 pm
Age wrote: ↑Tue Jan 02, 2024 1:48 pm
bahman wrote: ↑Tue Jan 02, 2024 3:44 pm
Yes, for no duration.
So, to "bahman", the Universe simply existed for no duration at all.
The universe has existed since the beginning of time.
What does the word 'time' even mean or refer to, to you, exactly?
bahman wrote: ↑Wed Jan 03, 2024 2:21 pm
The singularity just existed at the beginning of time.
Are you absolutely sure of this?
If yes, then how do you know, for sure?