You do not take back a spoken word, just like a "quantum" measured value, forever stuck to a growing crystal of causality / past... Please note that both have discrete values.Cerveny wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 8:41 amQuantum interaction/"measurement" is essentially similar to human "measurement" - in order to express/pronounce some belief/evaluation, our relation/attitude to reality, we have to use some discrete/established terms/words. At the same time, such "measurement" fixes/consolidates us in the context of reality...Cerveny wrote: ↑Sat Aug 13, 2022 12:32 pm We are living on the 3-D surface of condensing 4-D Past, in quantum World. Every interaction (“measurement”) glues / fixes next Planck’s time layer / sediment to the Past. This is how the Universe / the Past grows. The favor of the Life brings us the touch / essence of the Future, essance of empire of ideas…
Aether it exists, or it doesn't.
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As usual, we've been had, led down the garten path, by a certain strain of confusion that has infected the lab and the chair in the adjoining room. Harken back, fellow seekers of veritas, to when two great men sat, one with a pipe in his mouth and the other with mandibular issues, next to each other and were slain, in spirit.
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What? Aether? What about general and special relativity? What about the block universe?
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… yes, the universe is a condensing, growing (crystallizing) “time” block of ether (of the past). The elementary particles are defects in this "crystal". The past crystallizes from the future, from the (not yet causal) "plasma" of the stem cells of the ether... forget, please, an obscure expansion of nothing.
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The speed of this crystallization is in the range of c, which determines that no real speed can exceed c, in other words, nothing can "outrun" time...Cerveny wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 7:32 am … yes, the universe is a condensing, growing (crystallizing) “time” block of ether (of the past). The elementary particles are defects in this "crystal". The past crystallizes from the future, from the (not yet causal) "plasma" of the stem cells of the ether... forget, please, an obscure expansion of nothing.
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Why should there be anything in between "matter"? I would say that there is only that which can be measured. E.g. the vacuum (aether) can be electrically, magnetically and gravitationally polarized, which can be measured... it can also carry / hold angular momentum.Age wrote: ↑Sat Aug 13, 2022 1:24 pmBut the past/history is not growing, condensing, nor crystallizing.Cerveny wrote: ↑Thu Aug 11, 2022 3:27 pm The only question is whether the "crystal" of the growing/condensing/crystallizing Past/Histoty (of physical space/ether/vacuum) is composed of ordinary elementary particles (electron/positron lattice? - "Epola"?) or some "stem" elementary particles (Higgs?)…
And, there is obviously a distance between matter, which must consist of no matter.
This can not be refuted.
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BECAUSE if there was NOT, then there would ONLY BE One 'thing', ONLY. Namely, One solitary piece of 'matter'. And, OBVIOUSLY, there IS NOT JUST One 'thing', NOR solitary piece of 'matter', ONLY.Cerveny wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 11:38 amWhy should there be anything in between "matter"?Age wrote: ↑Sat Aug 13, 2022 1:24 pmBut the past/history is not growing, condensing, nor crystallizing.Cerveny wrote: ↑Thu Aug 11, 2022 3:27 pm The only question is whether the "crystal" of the growing/condensing/crystallizing Past/Histoty (of physical space/ether/vacuum) is composed of ordinary elementary particles (electron/positron lattice? - "Epola"?) or some "stem" elementary particles (Higgs?)…
And, there is obviously a distance between matter, which must consist of no matter.
This can not be refuted.
AND, the DISTANCE BETWEEN 'pieces', or 'particles', and/or 'objects' OF 'matter' can ALSO BE measured.
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Sorry, but there is no such thing as an absolute "nothing" and therefore cannot be measured or compared. The common "nothing" has meaning only in context, as a complement, the opposite of "something" real. Absolute "nothing" has meaning only as the content of an empty set, and even that can be a source of problems and paradoxes...
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The distance between objects / particles can be measured precisely because there is an aether (milestones) between them. Aether makes it possible to perceive / dampen their mutual interaction. If it didn’t exist, then, for example, the speed of light wouldn’t be limited by anything...Age wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 1:45 pmBECAUSE if there was NOT, then there would ONLY BE One 'thing', ONLY. Namely, One solitary piece of 'matter'. And, OBVIOUSLY, there IS NOT JUST One 'thing', NOR solitary piece of 'matter', ONLY.AND, the DISTANCE BETWEEN 'pieces', or 'particles', and/or 'objects' OF 'matter' can ALSO BE measured.
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So, when you ASKED me, 'Why should there be anything between 'matter'?', you ALREADY KNEW that there was some 'thing', correct?Cerveny wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 11:00 pmThe distance between objects / particles can be measured precisely because there is an aether (milestones) between them.Age wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 1:45 pmBECAUSE if there was NOT, then there would ONLY BE One 'thing', ONLY. Namely, One solitary piece of 'matter'. And, OBVIOUSLY, there IS NOT JUST One 'thing', NOR solitary piece of 'matter', ONLY.AND, the DISTANCE BETWEEN 'pieces', or 'particles', and/or 'objects' OF 'matter' can ALSO BE measured.
And, what is the so-called 'aether', which you say is between objects/particles of matter, made up of, EXACTLY?
So, to you, this so-called 'aether' 'thing' slows down the speed of light, right?
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WHO are you apologizing here to, exactly, and WHY are you here apologizing for what you BELIEVE is true?
Is this so-called 'aether thing' made up of some 'thing'?
If yes, then what is 'that thing', EXACTLY?
Also, and by the way, the 'thing', which is made up of ABSOLUTELY NOTHING can be and IS measured, and can be and IS compared to some 'thing' ELSE.
If 'this' is what you BELIEVE is ABSOLUTELY TRUE, then okay.
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Please forgive me, Albert Einstein fans, but I'm afraid that by promoting the idea of infinitely fine physical space mathematical genius paralyzed physics for a hundred years and gave birth to some really crazy theories, sorry…
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1) For example, how can a reasonable person seriously works with the idea that a single dimensionless point can give birth to / contains the entire universe (BB) or matter at all (BH)?
Consider please that the matter did not appear in "BB". Only the time / the process of “organizing” matter / the causality was born in "BB". The first seed / germ / tiny crystal / DNA of causality (of physical space) began the crysralisation, the growth of the Universe / of the past (inside the dimensionless, timeless divine Future). The first "word" was spoken, first dice / brick has been formed and laid. God doesn't play (Planck’s:) dice, God builds them… Before "BB" there was only the divine eternal Future. It was the same Future that we face every moment now, in the Present.
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2) Or some kind of "dark matter"… It is enough to consider that gravity acts on the aether in the same way as on matter...
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