How Physics is Driving Philosophical Realism to Extinction

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Veritas Aequitas
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Re: How Physics is Driving Philosophical Realism to Extinction

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psycho wrote: Thu May 04, 2023 9:10 pm Do you consider that QM is a theory?
Quantum mechanics is the behavior, the nature of the behavior of the elements of the universe.
The theory of quantum mechanics is a set of mathematical models that approximate that behavior.
If what you affirm is that all human theory is created by humans, I agree but I don't see the relevance of the comment.
The Big Bang is a hypothesis that speculates part of the behavior of the Universe from a certain stage of its development. Since almost the beginning of the expansion.

The behavior of the universe is not the Big Bang theory.
The Big Bang (human) theory is a variety of mathematical models (some contradictory to each other) that attempt to represent that development.
The Big Bang does not depend on the human mind.
The mathematical models of that event depend on the human mind.
All theory will be structured within the accepted paradigm. This does not mean that what the theory describes is dependent on the human mind.
Yes, QM is a theory with its principles but QM is not a speculative theory.
As such, QM represent reality and it is realized reality which must be conditioned to the human-based QM Framework and System of Knowledge [FSK].

As I had claimed, the grounding to QM is as follow;

1. QM is only valid within a human-based QM Framework and System of Knowledge [FSK].
2. FSK is not merely perceiving, knowing and describing existing facts.
3. Prior to the above, there is a entanglement, emergence and realization processes of whatever is reality.
4. In addition, what underlies the FSK is conditioned upon all-there-was and is way back to the Big Bang.

Observation re QM is not merely 'seeing or perceiving' but involved the whole complex processes 1-4 above within the specific human-based FSK, in this case, culminating in the human-based QM FSK.

We can claimed QM realities are REAL as realized [not as described] as conditioned to the human based QM FSK.
Whatever the description is not the-described which is REAL.

Thus, regardless of the detail mechanisms, logically it follows;
all realization the realities of QM CANNOT be independent of human beings.
The human based QM FSK is conditioned upon a history [which cannot be ignored] from the present back to 13 billions years to the Big Bang [as theorized].
A simple and quick look at society will let you see that there is no Hive-mind.

Individuals hold the most varied beliefs and express vehemently and sometimes violently that they do not share the moral criteria of others.

That many look at Twitter, Facebook, Instagram and Youtube does not mean that we are a communal mind.

Each individual turns out to have moral values due to random factors. There is no transcendental access to an ideal moral plane. That is a fantasy.

If you are clear about the concept of "objective", you should only come to see that "objectivity" is not present in the human experience.
No 'Hive-Mind' within the human population??
There may not ONE collective-mind comprising all the >8 billion humans [could be if Earth is threatened by Aliens].
Even with bees, there is no ONE-collective-bee-Mind comprising ALL bees alive at one time. Rather we have a collective-mind that is conditioned to a specific hive and its queen.

Note,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collective_consciousness

In the case of humans there are 'hive-mind' from different groups of people with different interests and conditions.

Do you believe in the existence of scientific facts?
Scientific facts emerged from the consensus of a group of scientists as conditioned upon the scientific Framework and System [human-based scientific FSK].
Surely this has to be based on a "hive-mind" otherwise how else?
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Re: How Physics is Driving Philosophical Realism to Extinction

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psycho wrote: Thu May 04, 2023 9:10 pm The Big Bang does not depend on the human mind.

The mathematical models of that event depend on the human mind.
Que? What or where is the Big Bang? Show it to us. No, don't show me the CMB, show me the Big Bang.

It's just a conjecture - a mental artefact of extrapolation.

We believe that the universe is expanding, so if we do a thought experiment where we play the movie backwards. In that movie the universe is contracting.

There comes a point in time where the thought experiment breaks down - where the movie ends. The point where we don't know how to keep contracting The Universe any further.

That's The Big Bang. It's in your head.
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