FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Sat Mar 27, 2021 6:34 pm
Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Sat Mar 27, 2021 6:53 am
FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Sat Mar 27, 2021 6:31 am
If there are no intention to kill but if the babies died [in a way killed] from those acts frequently, then there will be some degree moral issue.
The question wasn't that difficult. Let's try again.
Two men walk into a church where a baptism is about to happen. The first one whips out his penis in front of the whole congregation and pisses in the font, then he has the priest baptise the baby in the piss water. The second man waits politely until the baby has been baptised, then whips out his penis and pisses in the font.
Give us the true and actual number of units of evil that the first man has committed. Now tell us how many fewer evils the second man committed. Explain how this calculation was made.
The above acts are not related to morality-proper.
If any and with an agreed FSK on such rating, it would be 1/100 of evilness relative to a typical genocide at 95/100.
So the actual difference between ans evil act and a non-evil act is that you haven't decided to give the non-evil act a random badness number yet.
And the number itself is nonsense, a subjective opinion between 1 and 100 after a subjective choice has been made to issue a number, which folows no particular rule.
I know the difference between an evil act and a non-evil act. Note I have a large taxonomy of what are evil acts with their related degrees of evil_ness.
Obviously killing of humans is an evil act the the the 'act' [restraining, etc.] of not-killing is non-evil, i.e. good.
It is because you are pestering me on that act of pissing you insisted must be related to 'morality' that I Iobbed it into the pool of 1/100 which is insignificant morally.
To me that case of pissing is not a moral issue but rather more toward a sort of psychiatric or psychological issue taking into account the rarity of such acts.
Those numbers involve subjectivity but as I had argued they are objective when subject to an intersubjective process within a credible FSK as with scientific facts.
As typical, you are ignorant of the following possibility to rate evil_ness;
- Columbia University professor Michael Stone knows evil. He's a forensic psychologist -- the type of expert that provides testimony on the mental state of accused murderers when a declaration of insanity can mean the difference between life and death row.
Inspired by the structure of Dante's circles of hell, Stone has created his own 22-point "Gradations of Evil" scale, made up of murderers in the 20th century.
https://www.npr.org/templates/story/sto ... =129175964
The above can be further and continually polished and improved to be fool-proof and be useful.
Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Sat Mar 27, 2021 6:53 am
The question of whether it is right to kill people to prevent overpopulation? You always do the same answer for that sort of thing, it's "It'S A GUidE NOt A COmmANd!" every time. Why would you need a new answer when you can just use that to tell you that nobody has the authority to send anyone to their death?
That is not my point.
It is not a question of whether it is moral to kill people to prevent overpopulation.
My point is,
it is moral to maintain the moral standard that 'no human ought to kill humans' because this maxim will promote overpopulation which then could kill masses humans?
This would be a
serious dilemma because of the maxim 'no human ought to kill humans' which 'could' end up with overpopulation but that maxim do not allow any humans to kill humans to kill to prevent overpopulation.
In contrast without the maxim, the two World Wars and other wars had actually restrained population increase after the war.
It's not a serious dilemma at all, unless your problem is that you actually want to say yes to all that killing.
It is a serious dilemma to my thesis and argument because what I proposed is self-defeating. So I have to have an answer to counter that self-defeating problem.
The point here you think you know what my problem is but you don't and was mistaken. There is still a lot of points you don't understand [not necessary agree with] with my thesis and as I'd stated I don't want to waste time discussing them. It is MY perogative to discuss whatever I wish to.
Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Sat Mar 27, 2021 6:53 am
Not that that matters, the closest thing to a difficult bit is choosing among all the easy answers to the incredibly simple test that you are setting for yourself.
In case you haven't noticed, every time you investigate the truths that you can discover via DNA, you somehow end up with something that exactly matches the opinion you already had. If you had more imagination you would have realised this was a problem already.
So you should have no difficulty asking DNA what's right and wrong and getting told that there is no legitimate means to decide who to march to their death.
Or you can inspect the genome and find out that everyone largely agrees with Kant's CI and so (via the magic of cherry picking those bits of human nature that suit your ends) it is evil to use millions of other people as means to an end.
All of the normal answers are available to you, because you will find anything you want with your method, it has never told you that you were previously wrong about anything, has it?
Do you think anyone can prove God exists by examining the human DNA?
Obviously I don't believe that, but I don't believe you can prove anything is good or bad by reading DNA either, that is your problem.
There are people who do think DNA proves their religion right. But honestly that's predictable, you're basically one of them. Your appeal to DNA as the arbiter of right and wrong for unquestionable but non-explainable reasons is a brand of fundamentalism right now.
You are off point here.
The question of DNA is to prove whether the claim of human behavior is innate or not.
It is obvious whatever of fundamental human nature physical and mental, e.g. the human body, the drive to breathe, eat and fuck must be embedded in the DNA and RNA.
Then whatever is claimed [God, religion or otherwise] must be verified and justified empirically within a credible FSK.
NO! note I have stated many times, morality proper is not about arbitrating what is right or wrong.
If the moral function is confirmed as innate then it would be effective for all humans to flow in alignment with what is nature.
Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Sat Mar 27, 2021 6:53 am
Note my principle;
what is fact is verified and justified empirically and philosophically specific to a credible framework and system of reality[FSR] and knowledge [FSK].
Why are you so anti-DNA or the genome?
If the DNA or whatever is verified and justified soundly, then it is a fact conditioned to the specific FSK.
So I was obviously right. You have never once used all this science-like method to find anything that contradicted an opinion you already held have you?
I have already clued to you what is a self-evident confirmation for personal conviction and from there it is to be processed with a credible FSK.