Philosophy of Mind

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Cover all «Eternal questions of philosophy»

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Hello there. I am seeking for an advice, please. I developed a hypothesis that covers all «Eternal questions of philosophy». Sounds crazy, right. Moreover, it is a hypothesis not a concept: I hope most ideas can be "proved" by experiments. The hypothesis is not purely scientific so I cannot publish it in a science magazine. I don’t want to publish it as a book because I don’t want to deal with editors and any commerce. My purpose is to make the hypothesis available for wide public and scientific discussion. What is the better way to make it happen?
To make it clearer what ideas are at stake, I quote below the beginning of the text…

Preamble
Trying to understand how the human mind works in principle, creating such phenomena as consciousness, it turned out that first it is necessary to understand how the mind of a social animal works. To understand this, it was necessary to understand how the "mind" of simple non-social animal works. To answer this question, it was necessary to understand how sensual/living matter was created and for what purpose. The answers to all these questions have formed an interconnected hypothesis, which also allows answering how human societies are governed and where the evolution of humankind is going.

Introduction
“The most incomprehensible thing about this world is that it is comprehensible.” Albert Einstein
The debate about the presence of the supernatural in our world has been going on for hundreds of years. The "scientific approach", materialism, evolutionism gradually, over several centuries of accelerated technical progress, crushed creationism in the scientific and technical field, appealing to the undoubted results of technological progress, which led to a significant improvement in people's living conditions. Obviously, the final victory of any of the approaches is impossible in the near future: 1) For the victory of evolutionism, science needs to explain all the phenomena of our universe, including the laws of human communities. This is impossible in the near future, because no matter how the horizon of the known expands, the infinite unknown will always remain here close to us. 2) For the victory of creationism, it is necessary to present unequivocal evidence of the existence of the supernatural, which has not yet been possible and there are no hopes to implement in the foreseeable future, or to prove that at least one phenomenon we observe cannot be explained by science, to which science will declare that “it takes time and will be explained."
There would be no point to play with creationism again if today science did not declare a stalemate with the study of what govern human and what govern humankind. What solutions does science offer to explain the phenomena of "consciousness", "psyche", "emotions" and other products generated by the higher functional systems of the living? What does science offer for the management of human communities? Nothing promising and constructive, promising to give a set of effects in the near future. Therefore, it may be worth looking if a creationism could provide constructive suggestions in these areas.
In order to overcome the difficulties of today's science and social thought, it seems promising to supplement evolutionism with "constructive creationism", to form the approach "evolutionism plus constructive creationism", which implies the following:
- Within the framework of a scientific approach, based on the latest achievements of science, identify potential sources and mechanisms for the penetration of supernatural influence into our world, the goals and application of this influence on the fabric of our world.
- Develop hypotheses of how supernatural influence, coupled with the methods of evolution, shaped our world from the original living to today's social order, what are the goals of such evolution.
- Provide experimental science to confirm the formed hypotheses.
- At the same time, understanding the mechanism of supernatural influence, identify / formulate the laws of its application in our world, highlighting the boundaries in what kind of phenomena and how the supernatural can influence, and where the evolutionary approach reigns supreme.
- Study, based on the classical scientific approach, the supernatural influence itself and its source, with the prospect of integrating the supernatural into the sphere of the knowable and used by mankind.
This text presents the hypothesis "evolutionism plus constructive creationism" that allows to explain mechanisms of human mind.

Methodology of supernatural influence
On our planet, we observe how matter evolves over time – new kind of matter arises, new laws operate on that matter. Can the transition to a fundamentally more complex organization of matter (with new laws) be determined by factors from within the matter itself, or does this require external influence? An approach with the influence of internal factors is more preferable for a scientific approach, because allows us to stay on proven methodological basis. The approach with external influences opens the question: if something influenced from the outside, then what influenced this something. However, the first approach has not yet yielded constructive results - neither theoretical nor experimental confirmation of the effectiveness of this approach has yet been demonstrated. The problem of the second approach - what acts on the acting something - turns out to be not so unsolvable, a solution will be given later.
Let's see if it is possible, armed with the second approach, to get constructive proposals for solving the problems of the evolution of alive matter. Is it possible without destroying the constructiveness of the methodology of science. If the resulting ideas / hypotheses give promising directions for scientific research, and the results of these studies confirm the initial hypothesis, then the second approach can be considered constructive. If the resulting ideas / hypotheses give promising directions of social foundations, and the results of the emerging social movements are constructive and lie in the bosom of the original hypothesis, then the second approach can be considered justified.
In our universe, in a natural way for its matter, celestial bodies are formed - mini-universes, worlds that share the laws of basic matter, and in some cases, have their own matter, fundamentally more complexly organized than the basic one. This superstructural matter has its own super-laws, its own evolution is going on.
The matter of the level, obeying the laws of its level and all levels below evolves to a state of maximum complexity, which can only be obtained for the matter of this level.
Let's assume that in our world there is a possibility of an impact coming out of the space-time of "higher dimensions", in a certain sense "supernatural" in relation to our universe. The carriers of the basic supernatural influence must be detected by quantum physics. Perhaps most of the elementary particles that are "not in demand" for the construction of the basic matter of our planet are such carriers. The impact itself probably comes from the higher dimensional spaces that string theory suggests.
When the matter reaches - through an evolution - a higher state of complexity, a supernatural influence of a pre-planned direction can be applied to these forms of matter. The purpose of such an impact is to “help” transferring forms of the matter to a fundamentally more complex level of organization, at which other laws will operate. With such a transition, the laws of basic matter are not violated: from the point of view of the observer of the world receiving the impact, this impact looks like a series of transformations that are extremely unlikely, but possible in this world.
The planning of the supernatural influence consists in obtaining precisely such forms of matter on which precisely such laws will act, which ultimately, in the course of its own evolution, will bring this matter into the “necessary” state that satisfies the plans of this influence.
After developing the matter (forms, phenomena) of a new level, new laws begin to operate for it, corresponding to the level of complexity of the matter. At the same time, the old laws, the laws of all the underlying basic levels of matter, remain in force.
Detection of supernatural influences is possible only statistically. Each individual act of such influence is completely disguised as chance, luck, bad luck, the will of fate, etc.
The evolution of life on our planet was helped by supernatural influences in this order:
On our planet, the supernatural influence created conditions for the evolution of inanimate matter in a certain direction of complication. The basic inanimate matter of our world, obeying its own laws, created forms of proto-living matter.
By supernatural influence, the proto-forms were helped to be converted into basic living matter. Basic living matter is characterized by the fact that it is able to adjust its behavior to the specifics of the current circumstances in which it is located, based on its own experience. That was the idea behind getting it. Together with living matter, a new set of laws appeared that are valid for such living matter.
Part of the basic living matter has evolved according to its own laws to a certain ultimate state of complexity. A supernatural influence was applied to some complex forms of basic living matter, which helps them to be converted into collective living matter. Collective living matter, in addition to the properties of its basic living matter, is characterized by the fact that it uses not only its own experience, but also the experience of the surrounding matter of its type. Or, in other words, an instance of collective living matter gains experience both from its own actions and from the experience of other instances of collective living matter of the same type. Together with the collective living matter, a new set of laws appeared that are valid for such living matter. These are the laws of collective behavior, collective evolution.
Some forms of collective living matter (some species) according to its own laws evolved to a certain ultimate state of complexity. A supernatural influence was applied to these forms of collective living matter, which helps them to be converted to conscious living matter. Conscious living matter, in addition to the properties of the collective living matter that is basic for it, is characterized by the fact that it uses the “inner world” to develop actions - a model of the world that allows modeling behavior without taking physical actions. An instance of conscious living matter, based on its own and other people's experience, takes actions "inside itself", which allows to form the most beneficial behavior in a calm environment. Together with conscious living matter, a new set of laws, valid for such living matter, appeared. These are the laws of human communities, of conscious evolution.

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[/quote]But beavers don't write down instructions for or make heroic poems about their constructions of gnawed branches. Possibly beaver mothers of cubs teach the cubs what is not instinctive for the cubs but this transmission if information is slight compared with the transmission of information that we call human culture. You mention art for instance. Art forms are media for transmission of information which are peculiar to humans and which store, transmit, and evolve info through the generations.

I don't deny that humans same as other species evolve biologically as well as culturally. However human cultures are means for artificial selection as in breeding of food crops, although only the eugenics fanatics want to wittingly select for specific traits.
The Christian right-wing and other conservative ideologies pertain to a) people who are accustomed to someone in authority over them and who don't like to change traditional ways of belief and practice and b) people who become politically powerful through pretending to the a) people that they are safe in the hands of right-wing authorities. Fear is a powerful motivation that tends to make people selfish and conservative in their thinking and behaviour . Short termism in politics and religious observance correlates with fears for the future and retreat into superstition.
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Belinda,
It does make one wonder why this fearful selfish conservativism is the product largely of the bible belt, is this just something basically unhealthy about Christianity. Perhaps it is just a portion of the population that is less intelligent than the average American citizen or both. Of all the developed western countries it is the wealthiest and arguably has the dumbest population across the board of any of the other countries. Power and stupidity is a fearful mixture and the global community is rightly uneasy.
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popeye1945 wrote: Thu May 26, 2022 5:43 am
But beavers don't write down instructions for or make heroic poems about their constructions of gnawed branches. Possibly beaver mothers of cubs teach the cubs what is not instinctive for the cubs but this transmission if information is slight compared with the transmission of information that we call human culture. You mention art for instance. Art forms are media for transmission of information which are peculiar to humans and which store, transmit, and evolve info through the generations.

I don't deny that humans same as other species evolve biologically as well as culturally. However human cultures are means for artificial selection as in breeding of food crops, although only the eugenics fanatics want to wittingly select for specific traits.
The Christian right-wing and other conservative ideologies pertain to a) people who are accustomed to someone in authority over them and who don't like to change traditional ways of belief and practice and b) people who become politically powerful through pretending to the a) people that they are safe in the hands of right-wing authorities. Fear is a powerful motivation that tends to make people selfish and conservative in their thinking and behaviour . Short termism in politics and religious observance correlates with fears for the future and retreat into superstition.
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Belinda,
It does make one wonder why this fearful selfish conservativism is the product largely of the bible belt, is this just something basically unhealthy about Christianity. Perhaps it is just a portion of the population that is less intelligent than the average American citizen or both. Of all the developed western countries it is the wealthiest and arguably has the dumbest population across the board of any of the other countries. Power and stupidity is a fearful mixture and the global community is rightly uneasy.
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The US is not as stupid and dangerous as China largely because post-Christianity still is influential. When a tyrannical regime takes over the US that will be when the US is as dangerous as China. The sort of Christians who support a tyrannical regime are those who are either the a)s or the b)s that I described above. Americans are not dumb but like many others are poorly tutored.Also the US seems to be a good place for market forces to overcome human needs e.g the firms that produce guns and market them to irresponsible persons.
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[/quote] It does make one wonder why this fearful selfish conservativism is the product largely of the bible belt, is this just something unhealthy about Christianity. Perhaps it is just a portion of the population that is less intelligent than the average American citizen or both. Of all the developed western countries it is the wealthiest and arguably has the dumbest population across the board of any of the other countries. Power and stupidity are a fearful mixture and the global community is rightly uneasy.
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The US is not as stupid and dangerous as China largely because post-Christianity still is influential. When a tyrannical regime takes over the US that will be when the US is as dangerous as China. The sort of Christians who support a tyrannical regime are those who are either the a)s or the b)s that I described above. Americans are not dumb but like many others are poorly tutored.Also, the US seems to be a good place for market forces to overcome human needs e.g the firms that produce guns and market them to irresponsible persons.
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Belinda,
As that great philosopher Forest Gump so elegantly put it, Stupid is as stupid does!" This portion of the population at least, meaning evangelicals right-wing Christians, and the Republican party. To say the least, they are anti-intellectuals, gun-toting morons who still believe the south shall rise again. Still trying to get Creationism taught in schools as if it were science and believing in a literal interpretation of the bible. The R does not stand in fact for Republian but Retards, and it looks like they just may take the country down. They don't want racism talked of in schools for fear their grandkids will find out they threw rocks at black children that wanted to go to school.

I might remind you that the KKK is a Christian organization and the mentality in the south has not changed since the twenties when they march down Washington boulevard in the legions. It isn't the elite that is running the show that are stupid, it is the herd they Shepard into war after war victimizing weaker countries to establish their parasitic and violent relationships. All this while supporting dictatorships that have the interests of American corporations close to their hearts. With this battle over Ukraine, do you see Russia as the aggressor nation? America already has a puppet government in Ukraine right on Russia's border. Did I mention these A-holes are still denying climate change and doing everything they can to stop progress in this area? Stupid is as stupid does! Right now America has China surrounded with military bases and nuclear weapons, so who is the aggressor. America has put the world in jeopardy and is calling it apple pie. The list is a great deal longer.

You sound like you still believe in American apple pie, most of the rest of the world know better from experience.

More to the point though, is the historical culture that produced this mess. One might say, context defines and a wretched historical context it is, and all the while claiming ultimate virtue as America apple pie. It looks though that the american empire is going the way of the Roman and as old Abe warned from within. American empire seems to want to take the rest of the world down with it --good morning Vietnam!!!
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popeye1945 wrote: Thu May 26, 2022 9:44 pm
It does make one wonder why this fearful selfish conservativism is the product largely of the bible belt, is this just something unhealthy about Christianity. Perhaps it is just a portion of the population that is less intelligent than the average American citizen or both. Of all the developed western countries it is the wealthiest and arguably has the dumbest population across the board of any of the other countries. Power and stupidity are a fearful mixture and the global community is rightly uneasy.
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The US is not as stupid and dangerous as China largely because post-Christianity still is influential. When a tyrannical regime takes over the US that will be when the US is as dangerous as China. The sort of Christians who support a tyrannical regime are those who are either the a)s or the b)s that I described above. Americans are not dumb but like many others are poorly tutored.Also, the US seems to be a good place for market forces to overcome human needs e.g the firms that produce guns and market them to irresponsible persons.
[/quote]

Belinda,
As that great philosopher Forest Gump so elegantly put it, Stupid is as stupid does!" This portion of the population at least, meaning evangelicals right-wing Christians, and the Republican party. To say the least, they are anti-intellectuals, gun-toting morons who still believe the south shall rise again. Still trying to get Creationism taught in schools as if it were science and believing in a literal interpretation of the bible. The R does not stand in fact for Republian but Retards, and it looks like they just may take the country down. They don't want racism talked of in schools for fear their grandkids will find out they threw rocks at black children that wanted to go to school.

I might remind you that the KKK is a Christian organization and the mentality in the south has not changed since the twenties when they march down Washington boulevard in the legions. It isn't the elite that is running the show that are stupid, it is the herd they Shepard into war after war victimizing weaker countries to establish their parasitic and violent relationships. All this while supporting dictatorships that have the interests of American corporations close to their hearts. With this battle over Ukraine, do you see Russia as the aggressor nation? America already has a puppet government in Ukraine right on Russia's border. Did I mention these A-holes are still denying climate change and doing everything they can to stop progress in this area? Stupid is as stupid does! Right now America has China surrounded with military bases and nuclear weapons, so who is the aggressor. America has put the world in jeopardy and is calling it apple pie. The list is a great deal longer.

You sound like you still believe in American apple pie, most of the rest of the world know better from experience.

More to the point though, is the historical culture that produced this mess. One might say, context defines and a wretched historical context it is, and all the while claiming ultimate virtue as America apple pie. It looks though that the american empire is going the way of the Roman and as old Abe warned from within. American empire seems to want to take the rest of the world down with it --good morning Vietnam!!!
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The few Americans I have met are nothing like KKK. One is an old school friend and one is a professor of anthropology. The US has the best universities in the world. There are criminals in every society. Probably every developed society has wronged some section of the people , or foreigners, so that old scores remain to be settled by people who are willing to flout the law to do so.

Sure, the US has and still does create international tensions. But this is not due to Christianity. Quite the opposite it's due to power -seeking. Those 'Christians' who try to put themselves in positions of power are doing the opposite of celebrating poverty, humility, and rights of the common man.

The wrongs of the US are committed not by Christians in general but by the moneyed ruling classes of commercial capitalism and the small coterie of politicians who feed on the excesses of capitalism.
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[/quote] The few Americans I have met are nothing like KKK. One is an old school friend and one is a professor of anthropology. The US has the best universities in the world. There are criminals in every society. Probably every developed society has wronged some section of the people , or foreigners, so that old scores remain to be settled by people who are willing to flout the law to do so.

Sure, the US has and still does create international tensions. But this is not due to Christianity. Quite the opposite it's due to power -seeking. Those 'Christians' who try to put themselves in positions of power are doing the opposite of celebrating poverty, humility, and rights of the common man.

The wrongs of the US are committed not by Christians in general but by the moneyed ruling classes of commercial capitalism and the small coterie of politicians who feed on the excesses of capitalism.
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Belinda,

Of course all Americans are not like this I am speaking of the power elite the Republican party and the religious right-wing. Your friend the anthropologist is not representative here, besides he is probably a Democrat. The general standard of the education system is actually quite wretched taking the general population as a whole. The United States is a fascist country by any other name. The industrial-military complex is American today, and its main cottage industry is making war and controlling the economies of weaker countries. You have a naive view of America. As far as Christianity is concerned, I believe it has played a major role in dumbing down the population. Your correct they are not representative of true Christianity and don't represent much in the way of virtues. Yesterday there was a mass shooting at a public school, nineteen children around the age of nine or ten perished along with two of their teachers. The Republicians still will no accept the necessity of gun control, calling them stupid is the kindest term available right now, crimmially stupid getting closer.
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[/quote] The few Americans I have met are nothing like KKK. One is an old school friend and one is a professor of anthropology. The US has the best universities in the world. There are criminals in every society. Probably every developed society has wronged some section of the people , or foreigners, so that old scores remain to be settled by people who are willing to flout the law to do so.

Sure, the US has and still does create international tensions. But this is not due to Christianity. Quite the opposite it's due to power -seeking. Those 'Christians' who try to put themselves in positions of power are doing the opposite of celebrating poverty, humility, and rights of the common man.

The wrongs of the US are committed not by Christians in general but by the moneyed ruling classes of commercial capitalism and the small coterie of politicians who feed on the excesses of capitalism.
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Belinda,

Of course all Americans are not like this I am speaking of the power elite the Republican party and the religious right-wing. Your friend the anthropologist is not representative here, besides he is probably a Democrat. The general standard of the education system is actually quite wretched taking the general population as a whole. The United States is a fascist country by any other name. The industrial-military complex is American today, and its main cottage industry is making war and controlling the economies of weaker countries. You have a naive view of America. As far as Christianity is concerned, I believe it has played a major role in dumbing down the population. Your correct they are not representative of true Christianity and don't represent much in the way of virtues. Yesterday there was a mass shooting at a public school, nineteen children around the age of nine or ten perished along with two of their teachers. The Republicians still will not accept the necessity of gun control, calling them stupid is the kindest term available right now, crimmially stupid getting closer.
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popeye1945 wrote: Sat May 28, 2022 7:30 am
The few Americans I have met are nothing like KKK. One is an old school friend and one is a professor of anthropology. The US has the best universities in the world. There are criminals in every society. Probably every developed society has wronged some section of the people , or foreigners, so that old scores remain to be settled by people who are willing to flout the law to do so.

Sure, the US has and still does create international tensions. But this is not due to Christianity. Quite the opposite it's due to power -seeking. Those 'Christians' who try to put themselves in positions of power are doing the opposite of celebrating poverty, humility, and rights of the common man.

The wrongs of the US are committed not by Christians in general but by the moneyed ruling classes of commercial capitalism and the small coterie of politicians who feed on the excesses of capitalism.
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Belinda,

Of course all Americans are not like this I am speaking of the power elite the Republican party and the religious right-wing. Your friend the anthropologist is not representative here, besides he is probably a Democrat. The general standard of the education system is actually quite wretched taking the general population as a whole. The United States is a fascist country by any other name. The industrial-military complex is American today, and its main cottage industry is making war and controlling the economies of weaker countries. You have a naive view of America. As far as Christianity is concerned, I believe it has played a major role in dumbing down the population. Your correct they are not representative of true Christianity and don't represent much in the way of virtues. Yesterday there was a mass shooting at a public school, nineteen children around the age of nine or ten perished along with two of their teachers. The Republicians still will not accept the necessity of gun control, calling them stupid is the kindest term available right now, crimmially stupid getting closer.
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I see I will have to look up 'industrial-military complex'. I have heard of it but am too vague about it.

As for Christianity, I can't see that its core ethics are other than supportive of the poor and dispossessed. I imagine Republicans who support commercial interests that market guns to irresponsible individuals are not Christians in the sense of the core ethics of Christianity.

Any public education system that tends to keep poor people poor and rich people rich is not in line with the core Christian ethic of universality.
In the late twentieth century, these and other differences contributed to the creation of new varieties of Christian ethics.[2]: 3–4  The Anabaptists, the Social Gospel movement, postcolonialism, black theology, feminist theology, and liberation theology focus first and foremost on social justice, the "kingdom ideals" of Jesus, recognize the community-based dimension of sin, and are critical of the traditional theories of Christian ethics.[2]: 24–28 
Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_ethics

Christianity has changed and has a researched history. Some Christians in 2022 are still untaught about more modern Christianity. No member of the NRA nor its parasitic political party is a modern Christian, for obvious reasons.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/bitesize/guides/z ... revision/2 (Short account of the Kingdom of God)

Regarding schools in the US, I have found many websites that compare UK and US schools, and none of them say US schools are better or worse than UK schools.
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The United States is a fascist country
Of course not.

There is the united states, which is no country, and there's America, which is a nation.

The first is a construct, illegitimate, designed to govern; an iteration of The State.

The second is the natural, on-goin', result of free men livin' and workin' together peacably.

The first is nuthin' but slavers and their agents; the second is you and me and him and her.

You gotta get past all this left/right, repub/dem, conserv/prog, etc. crap.

It's free men vs slavers: always has been, always will be.

Quickest way to get co-opted is to buy-in to the jargon.
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henry quirk wrote: Sat May 28, 2022 3:34 pm
The United States is a fascist country
Of course not.

There is the united states, which is no country, and there's America, which is a nation.

The first is a construct, illegitimate, designed to govern; an iteration of The State.

The second is the natural, on-goin', result of free men livin' and workin' together peacably.
LOL
henry quirk wrote: Sat May 28, 2022 3:34 pm The first is nuthin' but slavers and their agents; the second is you and me and him and her.

You gotta get past all this left/right, repub/dem, conserv/prog, etc. crap.

It's free men vs slavers: always has been, always will be.

Quickest way to get co-opted is to buy-in to the jargon.
The biggest 'freedom' "men" have, in the misnomer "United states of America", is the 'freedom' to buy guns in order to shoot and kill each other DEAD.

Pity though the Truly INNOCENT children do NOT have the ability to protect themselves from these so-called"men", as SEEN, ONCE AGAIN, this week.
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[/quote] I see I will have to look up 'industrial-military complex'. I have heard of it but am too vague about it.
As for Christianity, I can't see that its core ethics are other than supportive of the poor and dispossessed. I imagine Republicans who support commercial interests that market guns to irresponsible individuals are not Christians in the sense of the core ethics of Christianity.
Any public education system that tends to keep poor people poor and rich people rich is not in line with the core Christian ethic of universality.
In the late twentieth century, these and other differences contributed to the creation of new varieties of Christian ethics.[2]: 3–4  The Anabaptists, the Social Gospel movement, postcolonialism, black theology, feminist theology, and liberation theology focus first and foremost on social justice, the "kingdom ideals" of Jesus, recognize the community-based dimension of sin, and are critical of the traditional theories of Christian ethics.[2]: 24–28 
Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_ethics

Christianity has changed and has a researched history. Some Christians in 2022 are still untaught about more modern Christianity. No member of the NRA nor its parasitic political party is a modern Christian, for obvious reasons.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/bitesize/guides/z ... revision/2 (Short account of the Kingdom of God)
Regarding schools in the US, I have found many websites that compare UK and US schools, and none of them say US schools are better or worse than UK schools.
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Belinda,

It is true our opinions and judgments depend upon the information we have be exposed to if you are not familiar with the term industrial-military complex you, of course, would not see America in the clear light of day. Whatever new manifestations of the Christian religion that have evolved they sound more intellectually inclined than the standard. To understand the Christian right-wing you must understand it is a literal interpretation meaning no thinking aloud. As far as the education system is concerned America falls short relative to many other countries in the math and sciences indeed in much of the country there is a pronounced anti-intellectualism which seems for much of the country a source of pride.

America has this in common with Nazi Germany its desire for world domination it is just going about it differently and much of its power depends upon a dumb population. America has over eight hundred military bases around the world and military weaponry in many what you might call statilite nations their sovereignty forfeited in compilence. America has put the world in jeapordy in its use of NATO as an instrument of aggression directed at Russia. Empire wants two things, to expand and stay in being at all cost, the global community is in great danger and the American propaganda machine is like no other that has existed before. The United States has never really abandoned Macharthysim a country in perpetual fear even of each other-- the gun problem. This is not the elite but the state elite keeps the population in.
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henry quirk wrote: Sat May 28, 2022 3:34 pm
The United States is a fascist country
Of course not.

There is the united states, which is no country, and there's America, which is a nation.

The first is a construct, illegitimate, designed to govern; an iteration of The State.

The second is the natural, on-goin', result of free men livin' and workin' together peacably.

The first is nuthin' but slavers and their agents; the second is you and me and him and her.

You gotta get past all this left/right, repub/dem, conserv/prog, etc. crap.

It's free men vs slavers: always has been, always will be.

Quickest way to get co-opted is to buy-in to the jargon.
henry,

You do not know America's history of imperialism you need to read some books.
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Re: Philosophy of Mind

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You do not know America's history of imperialism you need to read some books.
I know the history: that imperialism came from, comes from, Washington, not the farmlands, from the capital, not some burg.

What does comes from the farmlands, from the burgs, are the bodies hoodwinked, or flat-out forced, to do the dirty work.

Name the imperialism: it came from, comes from, one place...The State.

You suggest I read books; I suggest you step away from books and talk to your fellows. Once you get past, or underneath, the canned responses, you'll find most folks frown at adventurisms and are none too pleased with the finer clay who presume to rule and direct. Be mindful, though, the closer you get to seats of power -- local, regional, state, national -- the fewer Americans you'll find.
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Your population seems quite ignorant. I don't doubt the average working-class individual has an innate sense of fairness. We seem to be saying the same thing in a different way. The elite in America are facists and have world domination as their goal. There is a rather profound anti-intellectualism in much of the country, do you not agree?
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Your population seems quite ignorant.
You know this how?
I don't doubt the average working-class individual has an innate sense of fairness.
Yep.
We seem to be saying the same thing in a different way.
No. We overlap a bit, yes, but, mostly, we're not sayin' the same things.
The elite in America are facists and have world domination as their goal.
The elite are slavers and they aren't confined to America.
There is a rather profound anti-intellectualism in much of the country, do you not agree?
No, and -- again -- you know this how?
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