How do we make peace?

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Re: How do we make peace?

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commonsense wrote: Fri Apr 26, 2024 4:07 pm
Janoah wrote: Fri Apr 26, 2024 12:49 pm
commonsense wrote: Wed Apr 24, 2024 4:36 pm

But what if there’s no consensus to be found among bellicose nations, in spite of valid arguments on the value of peace for those nations? **
The peace is the consequence, and the cause is the truth.

They fight for their understanding of the truth, although this understanding may be perverted.

The achievement of peace cannot be sustainable until there is a consensus on the truth.
For their understanding of the truth they are ready to sacrifice peace and even life.


***How would you propose finding consensus in the real world of conflicting agendas?***

For example, I came to this forum to try to find a consensus on the truth, but here too my attempts are unsuccessful.
I ask again: what if there is no consensus, as in the case of your unsuccessful attempts to find consensus on truth in this forum?

How would you create consensus if there are divergent opinions?

How would you overcome any perverted understandings of truth?
p. s.
By the way, there is a logistic growth development model, it is used to calculate, for example, population growth to calculate the necessary infrastructure
Using this model, it is possible to predict the maximum population on Earth.

When I told the students about this model, they asked how it is that epidemics and wars are not taken into account, because there are only statistics?

I answered, the model works, perhaps when the population limit comes, epidemics and wars begin, and people fight, and do not understand that they are fighting according to this statistical model. I taught that lesson on the eve of the covid pandemic..
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Re: How do we make peace?

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Janoah wrote: Fri Apr 26, 2024 4:56 pm
commonsense wrote: Fri Apr 26, 2024 4:07 pm
Janoah wrote: Fri Apr 26, 2024 12:49 pm

The peace is the consequence, and the cause is the truth.

They fight for their understanding of the truth, although this understanding may be perverted.

The achievement of peace cannot be sustainable until there is a consensus on the truth.
For their understanding of the truth they are ready to sacrifice peace and even life.


***How would you propose finding consensus in the real world of conflicting agendas?***

For example, I came to this forum to try to find a consensus on the truth, but here too my attempts are unsuccessful.
I ask again: what if there is no consensus, as in the case of your unsuccessful attempts to find consensus on truth in this forum?

How would you create consensus if there are divergent opinions?

How would you overcome any perverted understandings of truth?

I have only one answer to all these questions: continue philosophical discourses.
Meanwhile, the wars will continue.
Non sequitur! Philosophical discourse does not lead to consensus that includes all leaders of all nations, and non-philosophers may not be able to engage in philosophical discourse, anyway.
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Re: How do we make peace?

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Janoah wrote: Fri Apr 26, 2024 12:58 pm
Age wrote: Wed Apr 24, 2024 8:25 pm
Janoah wrote: Wed Apr 24, 2024 11:20 am

Understand what the truth is and find consensus in the truth.
Consensus is not necessarily found in the truth, but the truth is found in consensus.
The truth remains the truth even on a desert island, where there is no one to reach a consensus with,
Will you provide any examples?

Also, you said and wrote, 'understand what the truth is'. But for me to be able to understand what the truth is, exactly, I will first need you to inform me of what the truth is, exactly, to you.

And, is your understanding of what the truth is, exactly, the exact same as what the understanding of what the truth is to everyone else?

If no, then whose version and/or understanding of what the truth is, is the one that you think or believe everyone should have consensus on?

To me, it is what everyone agrees with and accepts where and what the Truth is. And, it is not necessarily where anyone says what everyone should agree with and accept.

Again, the Truth is found, and known, in consensus. Consensus is not necessarily made from the Truth.
Janoah wrote: Fri Apr 26, 2024 12:58 pm remember Robinson Crusoe.
I do not know what this means nor is referring to, exactly.
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