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Re: Faith: Difficult but Necessary?
Posted: Tue Apr 16, 2024 4:15 pm
by Harbal
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Apr 16, 2024 3:43 pm
Harbal wrote: ↑Tue Apr 16, 2024 3:24 pm
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Apr 16, 2024 2:34 pm
"Peace" is a noble goal...but if it's really noble, does it not deserve some possible strategy for achievement? Or are we going to be content with wishing upon a star, and never bother to consider how the thing might actually be reached?
If that's where we stop, just how much do we
actually care about peace?
What is your strategy for achieving peace? Assuming that you care about it.
I'm interested in Gary's. He's the one who started this ball rolling. Maybe his will be better than anything I could come up with. Let's find out.
I'll put my cards on the table right now; I don't have a strategy for peace.
Re: Faith: Difficult but Necessary?
Posted: Tue Apr 16, 2024 4:42 pm
by Flannel Jesus
Harbal wrote: ↑Tue Apr 16, 2024 4:15 pmI'll put my cards on the table right now; I don't have a strategy for peace.
I have one but I doubt people would like it:
The complete destruction of all life on earth.
Re: Faith: Difficult but Necessary?
Posted: Tue Apr 16, 2024 5:08 pm
by Immanuel Can
Flannel Jesus wrote: ↑Tue Apr 16, 2024 4:42 pm
Harbal wrote: ↑Tue Apr 16, 2024 4:15 pmI'll put my cards on the table right now; I don't have a strategy for peace.
I have one but I doubt people would like it:
The complete destruction of all life on earth.
You'd make a great Islamist, then...
They think that peace could be achieved by killing all opponents.
But that's more "pacification" than peace...it's a quietness born of death and destruction, rather than of tranquility and harmony. It's probably not what we're really looking for...
Re: Faith: Difficult but Necessary?
Posted: Tue Apr 16, 2024 5:17 pm
by Flannel Jesus
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Apr 16, 2024 5:08 pm
Flannel Jesus wrote: ↑Tue Apr 16, 2024 4:42 pm
Harbal wrote: ↑Tue Apr 16, 2024 4:15 pmI'll put my cards on the table right now; I don't have a strategy for peace.
I have one but I doubt people would like it:
The complete destruction of all life on earth.
You'd make a great Islamist, then...
They think that peace could be achieved by killing all opponents.
But that's more "pacification" than peace...it's a quietness born of death and destruction, rather than of tranquility and harmony. It's probably not what we're really looking for...
Gotta throw the ol' monkeys paw in occasionally, so people remember to be careful what they wish for.
Re: Faith: Difficult but Necessary?
Posted: Tue Apr 16, 2024 5:31 pm
by Immanuel Can
Flannel Jesus wrote: ↑Tue Apr 16, 2024 5:17 pm
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Apr 16, 2024 5:08 pm
Flannel Jesus wrote: ↑Tue Apr 16, 2024 4:42 pm
I have one but I doubt people would like it:
The complete destruction of all life on earth.
You'd make a great Islamist, then...
They think that peace could be achieved by killing all opponents.
But that's more "pacification" than peace...it's a quietness born of death and destruction, rather than of tranquility and harmony. It's probably not what we're really looking for...
Gotta throw the ol' monkeys paw in occasionally, so people remember to be careful what they wish for.
Ah, yes..."The Monkey's Paw." I remember it well.
Re: Faith: Difficult but Necessary?
Posted: Tue Apr 16, 2024 8:29 pm
by Gary Childress
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Apr 16, 2024 3:43 pm
Harbal wrote: ↑Tue Apr 16, 2024 3:24 pm
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Apr 16, 2024 2:34 pm
"Peace" is a noble goal...but if it's really noble, does it not deserve some possible strategy for achievement? Or are we going to be content with wishing upon a star, and never bother to consider how the thing might actually be reached?
If that's where we stop, just how much do we
actually care about peace?
What is your strategy for achieving peace? Assuming that you care about it.
I'm interested in Gary's. He's the one who started this ball rolling. Maybe his will be better than anything I could come up with. Let's find out.
I posted what I think will bring peace. You replied to it but left out that half.
which means not sending armies beyond sovereign borders, and not stationing troops beyond sovereign borders (except in UN delegated peace keeping functions). And unfortunately, the US has been the #1 violator of that requirement. So it would require some degree of regime change in the US in our case.
Re: Faith: Difficult but Necessary?
Posted: Tue Apr 16, 2024 8:33 pm
by Immanuel Can
Gary Childress wrote: ↑Tue Apr 16, 2024 8:29 pm
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Apr 16, 2024 3:43 pm
Harbal wrote: ↑Tue Apr 16, 2024 3:24 pm
What is your strategy for achieving peace? Assuming that you care about it.
I'm interested in Gary's. He's the one who started this ball rolling. Maybe his will be better than anything I could come up with. Let's find out.
I posted what I think will bring peace. You replied to it but left out that half.
You didn't say how any of that was going to happen. You just said you wanted...
...not sending armies beyond sovereign borders, and not stationing troops beyond sovereign borders (except in UN delegated peace keeping functions).
...and...
...some degree of regime change in the US in our case.
So you think the UN is going to remain, and will somehow become effective and moral, but that Biden has to go?
So many questions...how is all this going to be made possible?
Re: Faith: Difficult but Necessary?
Posted: Tue Apr 16, 2024 8:54 pm
by Harbal
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Apr 16, 2024 8:33 pm
So you think the UN is going to remain, and will somehow become effective and moral, but that Biden has to go?
Hmm, I just can't imagine where all this is going.
Re: Faith: Difficult but Necessary?
Posted: Tue Apr 16, 2024 10:57 pm
by Immanuel Can
Harbal wrote: ↑Tue Apr 16, 2024 8:54 pm
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Apr 16, 2024 8:33 pm
So you think the UN is going to remain, and will somehow become effective and moral, but that Biden has to go?
Hmm, I just can't imagine where all this is going.
I can't figure it.
Re: Faith: Difficult but Necessary?
Posted: Tue Apr 16, 2024 11:21 pm
by Harbal
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Apr 16, 2024 10:57 pm
Harbal wrote: ↑Tue Apr 16, 2024 8:54 pm
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Apr 16, 2024 8:33 pm
So you think the UN is going to remain, and will somehow become effective and moral, but that Biden has to go?
Hmm, I just can't imagine where all this is going.
I can't figure it.
I don't want to steal your line, but we'll see.
Re: Faith: Difficult but Necessary?
Posted: Tue Apr 16, 2024 11:34 pm
by Immanuel Can
Harbal wrote: ↑Tue Apr 16, 2024 11:21 pm
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Apr 16, 2024 10:57 pm
Harbal wrote: ↑Tue Apr 16, 2024 8:54 pm
Hmm, I just can't imagine where all this is going.
I can't figure it.
I don't want to steal your line, but we'll see.
Oh, I see...you're itching for me to bring the "G" word into the conversation, and then you get to say, "You see? He's obsessed!"
The problem is that nothing was going that direction until you just pushed it there. Ironic, that. Almost obsessive...
Re: Faith: Difficult but Necessary?
Posted: Tue Apr 16, 2024 11:58 pm
by Harbal
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Apr 16, 2024 11:34 pm
Harbal wrote: ↑Tue Apr 16, 2024 11:21 pm
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Apr 16, 2024 10:57 pm
I can't figure it.
I don't want to steal your line, but we'll see.
Oh, I see...you're itching for me to bring the "G" word into the conversation, and then you get to say, "You see? He's obsessed!"
The problem is that nothing was going that direction until you just pushed it there. Ironic, that. Almost obsessive...
Actually, it's the "T" word that I was expecting.
Re: Faith: Difficult but Necessary?
Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2024 4:17 am
by Immanuel Can
Harbal wrote: ↑Tue Apr 16, 2024 11:58 pm
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Apr 16, 2024 11:34 pm
Harbal wrote: ↑Tue Apr 16, 2024 11:21 pm
I don't want to steal your line, but we'll see.
Oh, I see...you're itching for me to bring the "G" word into the conversation, and then you get to say, "You see? He's obsessed!"
The problem is that nothing was going that direction until you just pushed it there. Ironic, that. Almost obsessive...
Actually, it's the "T" word that I was expecting.
I'm not American. I don't have a "T - word."
Re: Faith: Difficult but Necessary?
Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2024 7:13 am
by Harbal
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Wed Apr 17, 2024 4:17 am
Harbal wrote: ↑Tue Apr 16, 2024 11:58 pm
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Apr 16, 2024 11:34 pm
Oh, I see...you're itching for me to bring the "G" word into the conversation, and then you get to say, "You see? He's obsessed!"
The problem is that nothing was going that direction until you just pushed it there. Ironic, that. Almost obsessive...
Actually, it's the "T" word that I was expecting.
I'm not American. I don't have a "T - word."
Me neither; aren't we lucky?
Re: Faith: Difficult but Necessary?
Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2024 9:15 am
by Age
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Apr 16, 2024 5:08 pm
Flannel Jesus wrote: ↑Tue Apr 16, 2024 4:42 pm
Harbal wrote: ↑Tue Apr 16, 2024 4:15 pmI'll put my cards on the table right now; I don't have a strategy for peace.
I have one but I doubt people would like it:
The complete destruction of all life on earth.
You'd make a great Islamist, then...
They think that peace could be achieved by killing all opponents.
Here is another example of where the word 'killing' is being completely and utterly misinterpreted.
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Apr 16, 2024 5:08 pm
But that's more "pacification" than peace...it's a quietness born of death and destruction, rather than of tranquility and harmony. It's probably not what we're really looking for...
