yes...to need to belong to a group is a sign of weakness.Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sat Apr 20, 2024 9:30 pm I'm not understanding the logic of your objection here: I said that a weak person could be intolerant. And you're saying that a weak person is a member of a collective, and is admitting he's weak. But you've said nothing about how this relates to tolerance... So I'm unclear on your objection.
Belonging to a group empowers you.
Your strength is multiplied through participation.
Now the group does not tolerate other groups.
The fact that you need to belong to a group is because you are weak.
Intolerance can be selective.
The individual remains tolerant of what maintains the group.
The size of the groups is important.
Inter-group intolerance can have severe consequences in small groups. Less so in large groups.
If I do not like A and he is part of a group of five, we have big problems.
But if I dislike A in a 1000 person group, and cannot tolerate his presence, then the issue is not as severe.
Without support, he dies...especially if he belongs ot a species that has evolved cooperative survival strategies.Are you saying he can only be intolerant if he is "supported by weak people." I can't see why that would be obvious. Why can't an individual who is weak simply be intolerant, too?
No, I think that's obviously not the case. Some is because of other advantages that society brings. It's not hard to imagine what gains one can get from being in a society, as opposed to having to do everything yourself.All social behaviour is a product of necessity.
[/quote]Society is a collective.
That you depend on it indicates weakness.
Necessity....means one conceals his true feelings from those he depends upon.
Social species all adopted cooperatives because they were not sufficient to independently survive and reproduce.
Even anti social species, like bears, must become periodically tolerant for procreation to succeed.
The act of heterosexual procreation necessitates extreme tolerance, on the side of the female.
She must endure the approach, presence, and penetration of another.