Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 6:49 pm
While I understand the logic of your proposition here, it would have to be modified a bit to make it *more true*. I do note the "manifest destiny" thrust of Americanism -- God's gift to the world and an advancing, relentless, determined lived ideology. Where I disagree is in saying it is *Abrahamic to its core". There is surely that element but there are other elements as well. To say it is not Western, not Hellenic, is therefore a false statement. It is many different things.
Ideologies evolve.
Messianism is only one part of Americanism. Its self-righteousness and underlying victim psychosis is another.
Its Global agenda is another.
Americanism is Globalism.
Its universality.
Its binary worldview, good vs. evil.
It's anti-nature - rejecting all biological identifier.
Its worship of freedom, replacing salvation - Tikkun Olam - they will "heal the world" returning it to its uniform origins.
Its Protestant rejection of all earthly authorities.
Wait. I am unsure in what sense you mean to insinuate that I am *one of them*. I certainly respect and admire the Greco-Christian foundations of Occidental culture. And I also definitely respect and admire the metaphysical definitions. But I do not see this as necessarily 'Abrahamic'. It is greco-philosophical as much as it is anything else. For that reason I referred to the Alexandrian synthesis" Rome, Greece, Judea form a 'body' and that body, and the spirit of it, informed Europe. Because this is *my tradition*, yes, I a, definitely *one of them*. But not in the sense that you propose.
your inclusion of Judea is the source of your supernatural superstitions.
Judaism and Hellenism are incompatible.
Your Judeo-Christianity cannot harmonize with Indo-Euroepan Hellenism.
It wears the mantle of Rome but has the spirit of Israel.....a lie.
The US is this lie.
I do not deny that the Americanism you refer to, usually unconsciously, definitely informs the Americans who write here. I cannot say myself if that is so for the Europeans. However, Europe is in many ways "America's bitch". If you explain more of what you see I am interested to know.
Such things will unfold, gradually.
Suffice it to say that western Europe has been Americanised since the end of WWII.
We see this in countries like Poland, Hungary, Russia, Belarus, that were behind the Iron Curtain and protected from decades of American propaganda.
We see it in relation to Wokism - postmodernism that has infected Americanism through the Frankfurt School.
Neo-Cons are ex-Troskyites, children of (((immigrants from eastern Europe))) that moved to the states in two waves, the first setting up the propaganda machine we know as Hollywood.
No one that I am aware of dares to offer any idea or opinion about the question of *race* that I am aware of. The way your phrased your comment indicates that you on the other hand have unconventional views of race and race-difference.
When lies dominate, one does not doubt them
Americanism is anti-nature. The myth of the self-made man, rather than man in god's image.
It rejects all biological identifiers. We see it currently in tis rejection of biological sex, identified physically and applied socially as gender.
Abrahamic "immortal soul", Judaism's "sparks trapped in kellipots" have become identities trapped in the "wrong bodies" or bodies nothing more than superficial prisons of raceless, sexless spirits that must be "released" - liberated - to choose their true identity.
Liberty = salvation.
Salvation from the corporeal.
It does not follow that because I have been here for *so long* that anyone here is of *my crowd*. In fact the ideas that I do present in respect to race, gender and woman, no one of these is accepted.
It is more likely that your assertions that most here are followers of my "Occidental" worldviews.
Survey the members to find out how many share your supernatural beliefs - though they may call it by another name or vary in how they define it.
A perspective that incorporates supernaturalism is neither exceptional nor unexceptional. And if I have different ideas it is not simply to appear "exceptional".
Supernatural is always a psychological expression of dissatisfaction towards what is natural.
In my view what is *supernatural* and what is *metaphysical* express the same thing more or less. And what is supernatural and metaphysical is, in fact, as real as anything else in the tangible, sensual world. In fact what it is, and what it does, defines everything that we are at the point where we are not simply advantaged ape-oids. Man is a metaphysical creature.
Granted, the supernatural always sought refuge in metaphysics....another connection to Abrahamism.
For me, metaphysis must be aligned with physis.....like a structures foundations (metaphysis) must support its structure (physis), extending upward towards the heavens (ideology).
Past/Presence/Future
Presence is existence.
Past made present.
The metaphysical cannot contradict the physical.
If we tolerate this we open ourselves to any absurdity the human mind can fabricate, judging it by its self-referential consistencies and its emotional justifications.
Tolkien's Middle Earth is a beautiful, cohesive, consistent fantasy, reflecting Abrahamic supernatural absolutist binaries of good vs evil.....yet it is entirely unreal.
Emotionally apealing....but entirely of the mind.