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Re: Excel to Analyze Quranic Verses in 1400 Themes - Useless??

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Veritas Aequitas wrote: Wed Apr 03, 2024 5:12 am It is undeniable that Hamas soldiers had killed civilians in the most terrible and evil manner as evidenced from their own cameras.
Individual soldiers may occasionally stray from the instructions received through their chain of command.
Veritas Aequitas wrote: Wed Apr 03, 2024 5:12 am There is no report of the Hamas authorities condemning and punishing those soldiers who killed and raped civilians.
These cases are undoubtedly still under investigation.
Veritas Aequitas wrote: Wed Apr 03, 2024 5:12 am I read the Hannibal Protocol was cancelled officially in 2016.
Israeli army cancels controversial Hannibal Protocol
https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-chief ... -protocol/
This is also still under investigation. The evidence points in the direction of a series of instructions by the chain of command to the Waffe IDF to kill Jewish captives and to decisively prevent them from reaching captivity in Gaza alive. Furthermore, these Jewish captives were apparently also targeted with precision bombing by the Waffe IDF. If the Waffe IDF knows where exactly these Jewish captives are being held, they will kill them.
Veritas Aequitas wrote: Wed Apr 03, 2024 5:12 am Btw, if you were a Christian, Buddhist, Hindu, do you think you will adopt the beliefs you have posted so far?
There are millions of people demonstrating against the occupation of Palestine, a large proportion of whom are actually not even Muslim. For example, George Galloway is a Catholic. He recently won the Rochdale by-election in the UK:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Galloway

Galloway is a staunch critic of Israel and of Zionism. He regards Israel as an apartheid state committing genocide against Palestinians. In 2013, he said "I don't recognize Israel and I don't debate with Israelis".[287] The following year, he declared Bradford an "Israel-free zone".[288]

Support for Hezbollah and Hamas. At a 22 July 2006 demonstration (and later in a Socialist Worker op-ed), Galloway stated that "Hizbollah is not and has never been a terrorist organisation. It is the legitimate national resistance movement of Lebanon".[300][301] In 2009, Galloway received a Palestinian passport from Hamas leader Ismail Haniya.

Though he has long stated that his religious beliefs are a private matter, Galloway was raised, and identified in 2016, as a Roman Catholic Christian. In March 2024 Galloway was sworn-in as an MP holding a Bible.[447]
We seem to have exactly the same position on the occupation of Palestine. He is also staunchly anti-NATO:
https://www.politico.eu/article/george- ... firebrand/

George Galloway: Britain’s newest MP is a pro-Gaza, anti-NATO firebrand

Speaking after his victory Friday morning, Galloway made clear the Israel-Hamas war would be front and center of his concerns in the Commons, warning his old party it would “pay a high price, in enabling, encouraging and covering for the catastrophe” in the Gaza Strip.

On the Rochdale trail, Galloway said his first move in the House of Commons would be to “ask the prime minister to meet me urgently to hear from the frontline, what millions of British people think about what’s happening in Gaza.”
However, we do not agree on everything. Galloway is a socialist, which is a rather Statist vision on the economy. I am mostly anti-Statist. I believe that there is no problem in the world that the government won't make worse. As an ideologically-motivated Bitcoin hodler, I believe that maximum decentralization is the solution. If we can remove the government from dealing with a particular problem, then we should. But then again, I personally solve the problem preemptively by means of jurisdiction shopping. Nowadays I live in SE Asia. Hence, I do not have to deal with an intrusive western, feminist, divorce-raping, personal-income tax levying government that tries to regulate every possible aspect of people's personal lives. Therefore, at the moment, it does not particularly matter to me what they do elsewhere.
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Re: Excel to Analyze Quranic Verses in 1400 Themes - Useless??

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godelian wrote: Wed Apr 03, 2024 6:07 am
Veritas Aequitas wrote: Wed Apr 03, 2024 5:12 am It is undeniable that Hamas soldiers had killed civilians in the most terrible and evil manner as evidenced from their own cameras.
Individual soldiers may occasionally stray from the instructions received through their chain of command.
Veritas Aequitas wrote: Wed Apr 03, 2024 5:12 am There is no report of the Hamas authorities condemning and punishing those soldiers who killed and raped civilians.
These cases are undoubtedly still under investigation.
Veritas Aequitas wrote: Wed Apr 03, 2024 5:12 am I read the Hannibal Protocol was cancelled officially in 2016.
Israeli army cancels controversial Hannibal Protocol
https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-chief ... -protocol/
This is also still under investigation. The evidence points in the direction of a series of instructions by the chain of command to the Waffe IDF to kill Jewish captives and to decisively prevent them from reaching captivity in Gaza alive. Furthermore, these Jewish captives were apparently also targeted with precision bombing by the Waffe IDF. If the Waffe IDF knows where exactly these Jewish captives are being held, they will kill them.
Veritas Aequitas wrote: Wed Apr 03, 2024 5:12 am Btw, if you were a Christian, Buddhist, Hindu, do you think you will adopt the beliefs you have posted so far?
There are millions of people demonstrating against the occupation of Palestine, a large proportion of whom are actually not even Muslim. For example, George Galloway is a Catholic. He recently won the Rochdale by-election in the UK:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Galloway

Galloway is a staunch critic of Israel and of Zionism. He regards Israel as an apartheid state committing genocide against Palestinians. In 2013, he said "I don't recognize Israel and I don't debate with Israelis".[287] The following year, he declared Bradford an "Israel-free zone".[288]

Support for Hezbollah and Hamas. At a 22 July 2006 demonstration (and later in a Socialist Worker op-ed), Galloway stated that "Hizbollah is not and has never been a terrorist organisation. It is the legitimate national resistance movement of Lebanon".[300][301] In 2009, Galloway received a Palestinian passport from Hamas leader Ismail Haniya.

Though he has long stated that his religious beliefs are a private matter, Galloway was raised, and identified in 2016, as a Roman Catholic Christian. In March 2024 Galloway was sworn-in as an MP holding a Bible.[447]
We seem to have exactly the same position on the occupation of Palestine. He is also staunchly anti-NATO:
https://www.politico.eu/article/george- ... firebrand/

George Galloway: Britain’s newest MP is a pro-Gaza, anti-NATO firebrand

Speaking after his victory Friday morning, Galloway made clear the Israel-Hamas war would be front and center of his concerns in the Commons, warning his old party it would “pay a high price, in enabling, encouraging and covering for the catastrophe” in the Gaza Strip.

On the Rochdale trail, Galloway said his first move in the House of Commons would be to “ask the prime minister to meet me urgently to hear from the frontline, what millions of British people think about what’s happening in Gaza.”
However, we do not agree on everything. Galloway is a socialist, which is a rather Statist vision on the economy. I am mostly anti-Statist. I believe that there is no problem in the world that the government won't make worse. As an ideologically-motivated Bitcoin hodler, I believe that maximum decentralization is the solution. If we can remove the government from dealing with a particular problem, then we should. But then again, I personally solve the problem preemptively by means of jurisdiction shopping. Nowadays I live in SE Asia. Hence, I do not have to deal with an intrusive western, feminist, divorce-raping, personal-income tax levying government that tries to regulate every possible aspect of people's personal lives. Therefore, at the moment, it does not particularly matter to me what they do elsewhere.
From the emergence of your holy texts the Jews had been condemned therein because they did not adopt the religion as preached by the prophet.
This is so evident in the analysis of the holy text I have done.

Bill Warner Analysis show your religious texts [9%] is worst than the Main Kempf [7%] of Jew hating materials.
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https://www.cspii.org/learn-political-i ... cal-islam/

It is on this basis, that the Islamists had been brainwashing the hatred into everyone else including the West at present.

The problem that made it worst was when the Zionists claimed more Palestinians' lands than originally agreed. So this was exploited to make Israel look bad.
But the hatred of the Jews in inherent in the immutable verses of your holy book which all believers are duty bound to do hate the Jews [the most], then the Christians and non-believers.
Do you deny the above?
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Veritas Aequitas wrote: Wed Apr 03, 2024 6:22 am From the emergence of your holy texts the Jews had been condemned therein because they did not adopt the religion as preached by the prophet.
This is so evident in the analysis of the holy text I have done.

But the hatred of the Jews in inherent in the immutable verses of your holy book which all believers are duty bound to do hate the Jews [the most], then the Christians and non-believers.
Do you deny the above?
For a starters, I have never seen a jurisprudential ruling expressing hatred for the Jews. Furthermore, this is historically also inaccurate. The Sephardic Jews fled from Catholic Spain to the Islamic world for reasons of safety and religious freedom. Until the occupation of Palestine, Jews were much safer in Muslim nations than in Christian ones. By the way, Hitler was a Catholic and not a Muslim. By the way, just look at the Christian doctrines, if you are so interested in dissecting antisemitic tropes:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_deicide

Jewish deicide is the notion that the Jews as a people are collectively responsible for the killing of Jesus, even through the successive generations following his death.[1][2] A Biblical justification for the charge of Jewish deicide is derived from Matthew 27:24–25.

The notion arose in early Christianity, the charge having been made by Justin Martyr and Melito of Sardis as early as the 2nd century.[3] The accusation that the Jews were Christ-killers fed Christian antisemitism[4] and spurred on acts of violence against Jews such as pogroms, massacres of Jews during the Crusades, expulsions of the Jews from England, France, Spain, Portugal and other places, and torture during the Spanish and Portuguese Inquisitions.
The idea of a deicide crime by the collective Jews would be absurd in Islam, because killing God is not possible in Islam. Furthermore, the Torah is a holy scripture in Islam. Therefore, it is quite far-fetched to ascribe hatred to the position of Islam on Judaism. The problem is the occupation of Palestine. The problem is not Judaism.

Originally, the Meccans did not recognize the prophet (SAW) either. They were even at war for some time. Does that mean that today the Muslims hate Meccans? Seriously, your views on the matter are very simplistic. Instead of inventing your own clearly misguided conclusions, why don't you ask a jurisprudential question to one of the many online databases with jurisprudential rulings?
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Re: Excel to Analyze Quranic Verses in 1400 Themes - Useless??

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godelian wrote: Wed Apr 03, 2024 6:44 am
Veritas Aequitas wrote: Wed Apr 03, 2024 6:22 am From the emergence of your holy texts the Jews had been condemned therein because they did not adopt the religion as preached by the prophet.
This is so evident in the analysis of the holy text I have done.

But the hatred of the Jews in inherent in the immutable verses of your holy book which all believers are duty bound to do hate the Jews [the most], then the Christians and non-believers.
Do you deny the above?
For a starters, I have never seen a jurisprudential ruling expressing hatred for the Jews. Furthermore, this is historically also inaccurate. The Sephardic Jews fled from Catholic Spain to the Islamic world for reasons of safety and religious freedom. Until the occupation of Palestine, Jews were much safer in Muslim nations than in Christian ones. By the way, Hitler was a Catholic and not a Muslim. By the way, just look at the Christian doctrines, if you are so interested in dissecting antisemitic tropes:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_deicide

Jewish deicide is the notion that the Jews as a people are collectively responsible for the killing of Jesus, even through the successive generations following his death.[1][2] A Biblical justification for the charge of Jewish deicide is derived from Matthew 27:24–25.

The notion arose in early Christianity, the charge having been made by Justin Martyr and Melito of Sardis as early as the 2nd century.[3] The accusation that the Jews were Christ-killers fed Christian antisemitism[4] and spurred on acts of violence against Jews such as pogroms, massacres of Jews during the Crusades, expulsions of the Jews from England, France, Spain, Portugal and other places, and torture during the Spanish and Portuguese Inquisitions.
The idea of a deicide crime by the collective Jews would be absurd in Islam, because killing God is not possible in Islam. Furthermore, the Torah is a holy scripture in Islam. Therefore, it is quite far-fetched to ascribe hatred to the position of Islam on Judaism. The problem is the occupation of Palestine. The problem is not Judaism.

Originally, the Meccans did not recognize the prophet (SAW) either. They were even at war for some time. Does that mean that today the Muslims hate Meccans? Seriously, your views on the matter are very simplistic. Instead of inventing your own clearly misguided conclusions, why don't you ask a jurisprudential question to one of the many online databases with jurisprudential rulings?
You are handicap in the above because you are ignorant of the holy texts.
I suggest you read your holy text directly and understand it in its full context of the 114 chapters, 6236 verses and >77K of words.
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Veritas Aequitas wrote: Wed Apr 03, 2024 7:27 am You are handicap in the above because you are ignorant of the holy texts.
I suggest you read your holy text directly and understand it in its full context of the 114 chapters, 6236 verses and >77K of words.
I do not want to randomly analyze the holy texts. I want rulings that do that for me in the context of an issue that I am actually interested in. You are doing something that I consider to be directionless, aimless, and in fact, a complete waste of time.
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godelian wrote: Wed Apr 03, 2024 7:39 am
Veritas Aequitas wrote: Wed Apr 03, 2024 7:27 am You are handicap in the above because you are ignorant of the holy texts.
I suggest you read your holy text directly and understand it in its full context of the 114 chapters, 6236 verses and >77K of words.
I do not want to randomly analyze the holy texts. I want rulings that do that for me in the context of an issue that I am actually interested in. You are doing something that I consider to be directionless, aimless, and in fact, a complete waste of time.
The OP stated 'into 1400 themes' which will answer why believers hate Jews and will kill them given the opportunity and that will be supported by the relevant verses which all believers are duty bound to comply with.

The problem is those religious leaders who are very verse with the words of God who will influence their followers. This reality is going on at the moment.

Not all believers will comply due to their ignorance or for being good humans but if only 10% were to comply with hating Jews, that is 150 million believers :shock:. [effective number will be less giving we take out children, but the quantum will still be large].
According to the holy texts, believers who do not comply with the commands in the holy texts are likely to be sent to hell.
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Veritas Aequitas wrote: Wed Apr 03, 2024 7:50 am The problem is those religious leaders who are very verse with the words of God who will influence their followers. This reality is going on at the moment.
The Zionists could also just come to the negotiation table. What's going on at the moment, is that the Zionists do not want to come to the negotiation table.

Furthermore, instead of targeting the Jewish captives for convenient elimination by means of aerial bombings, the Zionists could also get them exchanged alive for Palestinian captives.

All of this should have been dealt with months ago already.

The problem is Reichsfuhrer Netanyahu. He still believes that he can knock out Hamas, even though his own Waffe IDF has already clarified umpteen times that it cannot be done.

That is why I am in favor of gradually climbing up the escalation ladder.

This can be achieved, first and foremost, by further increasing military action along the Lebanese border.

Next, as soon as the new shipments of Russian technology are operational in Syria, the resistance can also open a new, additional front targeting the illegal Zionist occupation in the Golan Heights.

If the Zionists want to negotiate, they are absolutely welcome to join the negotiation table.
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godelian wrote: Thu Apr 04, 2024 2:17 am
Veritas Aequitas wrote: Wed Apr 03, 2024 7:50 am The problem is those religious leaders who are very verse with the words of God who will influence their followers. This reality is going on at the moment.
The Zionists could also just come to the negotiation table. What's going on at the moment, is that the Zionists do not want to come to the negotiation table.

Furthermore, instead of targeting the Jewish captives for convenient elimination by means of aerial bombings, the Zionists could also get them exchanged alive for Palestinian captives.

All of this should have been dealt with months ago already.

The problem is Reichsfuhrer Netanyahu. He still believes that he can knock out Hamas, even though his own Waffe IDF has already clarified umpteen times that it cannot be done.

That is why I am in favor of gradually climbing up the escalation ladder.

This can be achieved, first and foremost, by further increasing military action along the Lebanese border.

Next, as soon as the new shipments of Russian technology are operational in Syria, the resistance can also open a new, additional front targeting the illegal Zionist occupation in the Golan Heights.

If the Zionists want to negotiate, they are absolutely welcome to join the negotiation table.
Like how the ISIS Islamic State was exterminated from Iraq/Syria border, Hamas need to be eliminated from the GAZA strip to be replaced by a more peace inclined and progressive authority.

Here are the main points of the Hamas Covenant;
https://irp.fas.org/world/para/docs/880818a.htm
On the Destruction of Israel:
-----------------------------
'Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will
obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it.' (Preamble)

The Exclusive Moslem Nature of the Area:
----------------------------------------
'The land of Palestine is an Islamic Waqf [Holy Possession]
consecrated for future Moslem generations until Judgment Day. No one
can renounce it or any part, or abandon it or any part of it.'
(Article 11)

'Palestine is an Islamic land... Since this is the case, the
Liberation of Palestine is an individual duty for every Moslem
wherever he may be.' (Article 13)

The Call to Jihad:
------------------
'The day the enemies usurp part of Moslem land, Jihad becomes the
individual duty of every Moslem. In the face of the Jews' usurpation,
it is compulsory that the banner of Jihad be raised.' (Article 15)
If the above is true, there is no room for a peaceful negotiation for Israel. If Israel negotiate now, it will only get temporary peace.
Hamas will then reorganize and re-weaponize [from its supporter], then continue to rain missiles onto Israel and continual to commit Oct 7 wherever there are opportunities to do so as a contractual duty.

Israel is facing an existential threat; I believe it is willing to sacrifice its hostages for the long term survival of the millions of others and its nation.

The above from the covenant of Hamas reflect what is in the holy book from God which every believer must comply.

So my point as above;
Veritas Aequitas wrote: Wed Apr 03, 2024 7:50 am The problem is those religious leaders who are very verse with the words of God who will influence their followers. This reality is going on at the moment.
Can you prove to me the main points as dictated in the Hamas Covenant above are not directly from God in the holy book?
From my analysis, I am well aware they are.
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Veritas Aequitas wrote: Thu Apr 04, 2024 3:18 am Like how the ISIS Islamic State was exterminated from Iraq/Syria border, Hamas need to be eliminated from the GAZA strip to be replaced by a more peace inclined and progressive authority.
Well, Reichsfuhrer Netanyahu originally funded Hamas because he wanted to replace Yasser Arafat and his PLO, considered to be too recalcitrant.

Not only he stood up Arafat at the negotiation table in Oslo, but he even got one of his followers to murder Yitzhak Rabin. We were going to make good progress with Rabin, but the Reichsfuhrer simply couldn't have it.

Now that the Reichsfuhrer has received exactly what he had asked for, i.e. Hamas instead of PLO -- he even paid fortunes for that -- does he really want to go back to the old situation?
Veritas Aequitas wrote: Thu Apr 04, 2024 3:18 am Here are the main points of the Hamas Covenant;
This was approved by Reichsfuhrer Netanyahu. He even paid for it. You keep forgetting that the Reichsfuhrer is the honorary co-founder of Hamas.
Veritas Aequitas wrote: Thu Apr 04, 2024 3:18 am Can you prove to me the main points as dictated in the Hamas Covenant above are not directly from God in the holy book?
From my analysis, I am well aware they are.
It is doubtful that such proof could be produced in a mathematically unobjectionable manner.

My question is rather why Reichsfuhrer Netanyahu, who as a co-founder has always had a copy of the Hamas Covenant, never objected to it?

On the contrary, the Reichsfuhrer kept sending money and recruits from his prisons to Hamas for their utmost commendable job of removing the PLO from power in Gaza.

The Reichsfuhrer has always been very disappointed that Hamas did not succeed in removing the PLO from power in the West Bank.
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godelian wrote: Thu Apr 04, 2024 3:53 am
Veritas Aequitas wrote: Thu Apr 04, 2024 3:18 am Like how the ISIS Islamic State was exterminated from Iraq/Syria border, Hamas need to be eliminated from the GAZA strip to be replaced by a more peace inclined and progressive authority.
Well, Reichsfuhrer Netanyahu originally funded Hamas because he wanted to replace Yasser Arafat and his PLO, considered to be too recalcitrant.

Not only he stood up Arafat at the negotiation table in Oslo, but he even got one of his followers to murder Yitzhak Rabin. We were going to make good progress with Rabin, but the Reichsfuhrer simply couldn't have it.

Now that the Reichsfuhrer has received exactly what he had asked for, i.e. Hamas instead of PLO -- he even paid fortunes for that -- does he really want to go back to the old situation?
Veritas Aequitas wrote: Thu Apr 04, 2024 3:18 am Here are the main points of the Hamas Covenant;
This was approved by Reichsfuhrer Netanyahu. He even paid for it. You keep forgetting that the Reichsfuhrer is the honorary co-founder of Hamas.



My question is rather why Reichsfuhrer Netanyahu, who as a co-founder has always had a copy of the Hamas Covenant, never objected to it?

On the contrary, the Reichsfuhrer kept sending money and recruits from his prisons to Hamas for their utmost commendable job of removing the PLO from power in Gaza.

The Reichsfuhrer has always been very disappointed that Hamas did not succeed in removing the PLO from power in the West Bank.
I don't believe any Israelist would accept the above terms of the Charter.
Do you have references on the above points of yours?
Veritas Aequitas wrote: Thu Apr 04, 2024 3:18 am Can you prove to me the main points as dictated in the Hamas Covenant above are not directly from God in the holy book?
From my analysis, I am well aware they are.
It is doubtful that such proof could be produced in a mathematically unobjectionable manner.
This is very easy, i.e.
just scrutinize every of the 6236 verses of the holy text to verify whether the points of the Hamas Covenant are directed by God or not in its full context.
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Veritas Aequitas wrote: Thu Apr 04, 2024 4:12 am I don't believe any Israelist would accept the above terms of the Charter.
But the Reichsführer certainly did.
Veritas Aequitas wrote: Thu Apr 04, 2024 4:12 am Do you have references on the above points of yours?
Come on! How many people have been pointing that out?
https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years ... our-faces/

For years, Netanyahu propped up Hamas. Now it’s blown up in our faces

The premier’s policy of treating the terror group as a partner, at the expense of Abbas and Palestinian statehood, has resulted in wounds that will take Israel years to heal from

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/10/worl ... hamas.html

‘Buying Quiet’: Inside the Israeli Plan That Propped Up Hamas

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu gambled that a strong Hamas (but not too strong) would keep the peace and reduce pressure for a Palestinian state.

For years, the Qatari government had been sending millions of dollars a month into the Gaza Strip — money that helped prop up the Hamas government there. Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel not only tolerated those payments, he had encouraged them.
( --> Qatar was just a cover. In reality, it was Israeli money.)

For years, Israeli intelligence officers even escorted a Qatari official into Gaza, where he doled out money from suitcases filled with millions of dollars.
( --> In reality, Shin Bet officers were bringing new recruits for Hamas from their prisons.)

The division gives Mr. Netanyahu an excuse to disengage from peace talks, Mr. Brom said, adding that he can say, “I have no partner.”
( --> The real goal of the Reichsführer was to avoid joining the negotation table.)

Israel was blessing these Qatari payments, even as Mossad intelligence assessments concluded that Qatar was using other channels to secretly finance Hamas’s military arm.
( --> It was not Qatari money but Israeli funds. They just used Qatar as a cover.)

https://www.politico.eu/article/israel- ... p-borrell/

EU’s top diplomat accuses Israel of funding Hamas

The EU’s top diplomat Josep Borrell on Friday openly accused Israel of having financed the Palestinian militant group Hamas.

“Hamas was financed by the Israeli government in an attempt to weaken the Palestinian Authority,” Borrell was quoted as saying by Spanish newspaper El País.

Netanyahu has strongly denied allowing Qatar to fund Hamas in order to divide Palestinians into rival political camps. But the Israeli leader said in 2019 at a Likud party conference: “Anyone who wants to prevent the establishment of a Palestinian state needs to support strengthening Hamas.”

https://www.thenation.com/article/world ... red-hamas/

Why Netanyahu Bolstered Hamas

In 2015, Bezalel Smotrich, currently the finance minister in Netanyahu’s government, summed up the strategy by stating, “The Palestinian Authority is a burden. Hamas is an asset.”

Mr. Netanyahu told him that having two strong rivals, including Hamas, would lessen pressure on him to negotiate toward a Palestinian state.”

In his 2006 study The Iron Cage, historian Rashid Khalidi described Hamas as “the protégés of the Israeli occupation”.

According to several current and former U.S. intelligence officials, beginning in the late 1970s, Tel Aviv gave direct and indirect financial aid to Hamas over a period of years.”

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/202 ... ff1be90000

A Brief History of the Netanyahu-Hamas Alliance

Much ink has been spilled describing the longtime relationship – rather, alliance – between Benjamin Netanyahu and Hamas.
Reichsführer Netanyahu used Hamas to push the PLO out of the picture and expected to be able to control his invention by sending money and recruits out of his prisons to constitute the leadership of Hamas. These people were supposed to have been brainwashed by Shin Bet and to be reliable pawns to be controlled remotely by the Reichsführer.

It apparently may not have worked out completely like that. I also don't know what really happened behind the scenes.

But then again, some people say that the Hamas leadership is actually still under control of the Shin Bet intelligence service and that it was the Reichsführer himself who explicitly authorized Hamas to carry out the 7 Oct attack.
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godelian wrote: Thu Apr 04, 2024 4:47 am
Veritas Aequitas wrote: Thu Apr 04, 2024 4:12 am I don't believe any Israelist would accept the above terms of the Charter.
But the Reichsführer certainly did.
Veritas Aequitas wrote: Thu Apr 04, 2024 4:12 am Do you have references on the above points of yours?
Come on! How many people have been pointing that out?
https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years ... our-faces/

For years, Netanyahu propped up Hamas. Now it’s blown up in our faces

The premier’s policy of treating the terror group as a partner, at the expense of Abbas and Palestinian statehood, has resulted in wounds that will take Israel years to heal from

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/10/worl ... hamas.html

‘Buying Quiet’: Inside the Israeli Plan That Propped Up Hamas

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu gambled that a strong Hamas (but not too strong) would keep the peace and reduce pressure for a Palestinian state.

For years, the Qatari government had been sending millions of dollars a month into the Gaza Strip — money that helped prop up the Hamas government there. Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel not only tolerated those payments, he had encouraged them.
( --> Qatar was just a cover. In reality, it was Israeli money.)

For years, Israeli intelligence officers even escorted a Qatari official into Gaza, where he doled out money from suitcases filled with millions of dollars.
( --> In reality, Shin Bet officers were bringing new recruits for Hamas from their prisons.)

The division gives Mr. Netanyahu an excuse to disengage from peace talks, Mr. Brom said, adding that he can say, “I have no partner.”
( --> The real goal of the Reichsführer was to avoid joining the negotation table.)

Israel was blessing these Qatari payments, even as Mossad intelligence assessments concluded that Qatar was using other channels to secretly finance Hamas’s military arm.
( --> It was not Qatari money but Israeli funds. They just used Qatar as a cover.)

https://www.politico.eu/article/israel- ... p-borrell/

EU’s top diplomat accuses Israel of funding Hamas

The EU’s top diplomat Josep Borrell on Friday openly accused Israel of having financed the Palestinian militant group Hamas.

“Hamas was financed by the Israeli government in an attempt to weaken the Palestinian Authority,” Borrell was quoted as saying by Spanish newspaper El País.

Netanyahu has strongly denied allowing Qatar to fund Hamas in order to divide Palestinians into rival political camps. But the Israeli leader said in 2019 at a Likud party conference: “Anyone who wants to prevent the establishment of a Palestinian state needs to support strengthening Hamas.”

https://www.thenation.com/article/world ... red-hamas/

Why Netanyahu Bolstered Hamas

In 2015, Bezalel Smotrich, currently the finance minister in Netanyahu’s government, summed up the strategy by stating, “The Palestinian Authority is a burden. Hamas is an asset.”

Mr. Netanyahu told him that having two strong rivals, including Hamas, would lessen pressure on him to negotiate toward a Palestinian state.”

In his 2006 study The Iron Cage, historian Rashid Khalidi described Hamas as “the protégés of the Israeli occupation”.

According to several current and former U.S. intelligence officials, beginning in the late 1970s, Tel Aviv gave direct and indirect financial aid to Hamas over a period of years.”

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/202 ... ff1be90000

A Brief History of the Netanyahu-Hamas Alliance

Much ink has been spilled describing the longtime relationship – rather, alliance – between Benjamin Netanyahu and Hamas.
Reichsführer Netanyahu used Hamas to push the PLO out of the picture and expected to be able to control his invention by sending money and recruits out of his prisons to constitute the leadership of Hamas. These people were supposed to have been brainwashed by Shin Bet and to be reliable pawns to be controlled remotely by the Reichsführer.

It apparently may not have worked out completely like that. I also don't know what really happened behind the scenes.

But then again, some people say that the Hamas leadership is actually still under control of the Shin Bet intelligence service and that it was the Reichsführer himself who explicitly authorized Hamas to carry out the 7 Oct attack.
If that is the case, then he had made a serious mistake.
That is politics, and he has now to correct his mistake.

But the fact remained, the Hamas Covenant is driven by the words of God as in the holy texts: note the beginning of the Covenant with reference to the holy text [also in various articles within as well].
Hamas Covenant 1988
The Covenant of the Islamic Resistance Movement
18 August 1988

In The Name Of The Most Merciful Allah

"Ye are the best nation that hath been raised up unto mankind: ye command that which is just, and ye forbid that which is unjust, and ye believe in Allah. And if they who have received the scriptures had believed, it had surely been the better for them: there are believers among them, but the greater part of them are transgressors. They shall not hurt you, unless with a slight hurt; and if they fight against you, they shall turn their backs to you, and they shall not be helped. They are smitten with vileness wheresoever they are found; unless they obtain security by entering into a treaty with Allah, and a treaty with men; and they draw on themselves indignation from Allah, and they are afflicted with poverty. This they suffer, because they disbelieved the signs of Allah, and slew the prophets unjustly; this, because they were rebellious, and transgressed." (Al-Imran - verses [3] 109-111).

Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it" (The Martyr, Imam Hassan al-Banna, of blessed memory).


https://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/hamas.asp
Whatever the believer act it has to be as commanded by God, i.e. especially when agreed by so many believers, no believer would dare to act on their own against the words of God.
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Re: Excel to Analyze Quranic Verses in 1400 Themes - Useless??

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Veritas Aequitas wrote: Thu Apr 04, 2024 5:42 am
godelian wrote: Thu Apr 04, 2024 4:47 am
Veritas Aequitas wrote: Thu Apr 04, 2024 4:12 am I don't believe any Israelist would accept the above terms of the Charter.
But the Reichsführer certainly did.
Veritas Aequitas wrote: Thu Apr 04, 2024 4:12 am Do you have references on the above points of yours?
Come on! How many people have been pointing that out?
https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years ... our-faces/

For years, Netanyahu propped up Hamas. Now it’s blown up in our faces

The premier’s policy of treating the terror group as a partner, at the expense of Abbas and Palestinian statehood, has resulted in wounds that will take Israel years to heal from

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/10/worl ... hamas.html

‘Buying Quiet’: Inside the Israeli Plan That Propped Up Hamas

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu gambled that a strong Hamas (but not too strong) would keep the peace and reduce pressure for a Palestinian state.

For years, the Qatari government had been sending millions of dollars a month into the Gaza Strip — money that helped prop up the Hamas government there. Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel not only tolerated those payments, he had encouraged them.
( --> Qatar was just a cover. In reality, it was Israeli money.)

For years, Israeli intelligence officers even escorted a Qatari official into Gaza, where he doled out money from suitcases filled with millions of dollars.
( --> In reality, Shin Bet officers were bringing new recruits for Hamas from their prisons.)

The division gives Mr. Netanyahu an excuse to disengage from peace talks, Mr. Brom said, adding that he can say, “I have no partner.”
( --> The real goal of the Reichsführer was to avoid joining the negotation table.)

Israel was blessing these Qatari payments, even as Mossad intelligence assessments concluded that Qatar was using other channels to secretly finance Hamas’s military arm.
( --> It was not Qatari money but Israeli funds. They just used Qatar as a cover.)

https://www.politico.eu/article/israel- ... p-borrell/

EU’s top diplomat accuses Israel of funding Hamas

The EU’s top diplomat Josep Borrell on Friday openly accused Israel of having financed the Palestinian militant group Hamas.

“Hamas was financed by the Israeli government in an attempt to weaken the Palestinian Authority,” Borrell was quoted as saying by Spanish newspaper El País.

Netanyahu has strongly denied allowing Qatar to fund Hamas in order to divide Palestinians into rival political camps. But the Israeli leader said in 2019 at a Likud party conference: “Anyone who wants to prevent the establishment of a Palestinian state needs to support strengthening Hamas.”

https://www.thenation.com/article/world ... red-hamas/

Why Netanyahu Bolstered Hamas

In 2015, Bezalel Smotrich, currently the finance minister in Netanyahu’s government, summed up the strategy by stating, “The Palestinian Authority is a burden. Hamas is an asset.”

Mr. Netanyahu told him that having two strong rivals, including Hamas, would lessen pressure on him to negotiate toward a Palestinian state.”

In his 2006 study The Iron Cage, historian Rashid Khalidi described Hamas as “the protégés of the Israeli occupation”.

According to several current and former U.S. intelligence officials, beginning in the late 1970s, Tel Aviv gave direct and indirect financial aid to Hamas over a period of years.”

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/202 ... ff1be90000

A Brief History of the Netanyahu-Hamas Alliance

Much ink has been spilled describing the longtime relationship – rather, alliance – between Benjamin Netanyahu and Hamas.
Reichsführer Netanyahu used Hamas to push the PLO out of the picture and expected to be able to control his invention by sending money and recruits out of his prisons to constitute the leadership of Hamas. These people were supposed to have been brainwashed by Shin Bet and to be reliable pawns to be controlled remotely by the Reichsführer.

It apparently may not have worked out completely like that. I also don't know what really happened behind the scenes.

But then again, some people say that the Hamas leadership is actually still under control of the Shin Bet intelligence service and that it was the Reichsführer himself who explicitly authorized Hamas to carry out the 7 Oct attack.
If that is the case, then he had made a serious mistake.
That is politics, and he has now to correct his mistake.

But the fact remained, the Hamas Covenant is driven by the words of God as in the holy texts: note the beginning of the Covenant with reference to the holy text [also in various articles within as well].
Hamas Covenant 1988
The Covenant of the Islamic Resistance Movement
18 August 1988

In The Name Of The Most Merciful Allah

"Ye are the best nation that hath been raised up unto mankind: ye command that which is just, and ye forbid that which is unjust, and ye believe in Allah. And if they who have received the scriptures had believed, it had surely been the better for them: there are believers among them, but the greater part of them are transgressors. They shall not hurt you, unless with a slight hurt; and if they fight against you, they shall turn their backs to you, and they shall not be helped. They are smitten with vileness wheresoever they are found; unless they obtain security by entering into a treaty with Allah, and a treaty with men; and they draw on themselves indignation from Allah, and they are afflicted with poverty. This they suffer, because they disbelieved the signs of Allah, and slew the prophets unjustly; this, because they were rebellious, and transgressed." (Al-Imran - verses [3] 109-111).

Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it" (The Martyr, Imam Hassan al-Banna, of blessed memory).


https://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/hamas.asp
Whatever the believer act it has to be as commanded by God, i.e. especially when agreed by so many believers, no believer would dare to act on their own against the words of God.
The Zionist Reichsfuhrer considers the Hamas Covenant to be an asset and not a burden. We would not want to disappoint the Reichsfuhrer, would we?
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Re: Excel to Analyze Quranic Verses in 1400 Themes - Useless??

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godelian wrote: Thu Apr 04, 2024 6:11 am
Veritas Aequitas wrote: Thu Apr 04, 2024 5:42 am
godelian wrote: Thu Apr 04, 2024 4:47 am
But the Reichsführer certainly did.

Come on! How many people have been pointing that out?



Reichsführer Netanyahu used Hamas to push the PLO out of the picture and expected to be able to control his invention by sending money and recruits out of his prisons to constitute the leadership of Hamas. These people were supposed to have been brainwashed by Shin Bet and to be reliable pawns to be controlled remotely by the Reichsführer.

It apparently may not have worked out completely like that. I also don't know what really happened behind the scenes.

But then again, some people say that the Hamas leadership is actually still under control of the Shin Bet intelligence service and that it was the Reichsführer himself who explicitly authorized Hamas to carry out the 7 Oct attack.
If that is the case, then he had made a serious mistake.
That is politics, and he has now to correct his mistake.

But the fact remained, the Hamas Covenant is driven by the words of God as in the holy texts: note the beginning of the Covenant with reference to the holy text [also in various articles within as well].
Hamas Covenant 1988
The Covenant of the Islamic Resistance Movement
18 August 1988

In The Name Of The Most Merciful Allah

"Ye are the best nation that hath been raised up unto mankind: ye command that which is just, and ye forbid that which is unjust, and ye believe in Allah. And if they who have received the scriptures had believed, it had surely been the better for them: there are believers among them, but the greater part of them are transgressors. They shall not hurt you, unless with a slight hurt; and if they fight against you, they shall turn their backs to you, and they shall not be helped. They are smitten with vileness wheresoever they are found; unless they obtain security by entering into a treaty with Allah, and a treaty with men; and they draw on themselves indignation from Allah, and they are afflicted with poverty. This they suffer, because they disbelieved the signs of Allah, and slew the prophets unjustly; this, because they were rebellious, and transgressed." (Al-Imran - verses [3] 109-111).

Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it" (The Martyr, Imam Hassan al-Banna, of blessed memory).


https://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/hamas.asp
Whatever the believer act it has to be as commanded by God, i.e. especially when agreed by so many believers, no believer would dare to act on their own against the words of God.
The Zionist Reichsfuhrer considers the Hamas Covenant to be an asset and not a burden. We would not want to disappoint the Reichsfuhrer, would we?
In politics, it is very common for one to partner with the devil and snakes where the latter turned around to bite them.
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Re: Excel to Analyze Quranic Verses in 1400 Themes - Useless??

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godelian wrote: Sat Mar 30, 2024 8:18 am
Veritas Aequitas wrote: Sat Mar 30, 2024 7:01 am
godelian wrote: Sat Mar 30, 2024 6:34 am

First of all, the laws of nature are part of the laws of God. These laws apply from as soon as you get born on earth. Whether you accept or reject them, does not matter particularly much.

Concerning a religious scripture, you choose to either accept or reject its rules. If you do, you implicitly also accept the rules that can be derived from them or that necessarily follow from them, i.e. its jurisprudential rulings. But then again, most religious rules exhort to self-discipline. You are supposed to enforce them by yourself against yourself. It is entirely up to you, if you really want to do that. If you make victims or disturb public order, however, there could be a need for external enforcement, but that is a rather small part of the moral theory in religion.
You don't seem to be very familiar with your holy text which is sole constitution of your religion?? am I mistaken??

In your holy text, there are two critical terms, i.e. 'ahd' and 'mīthāq' which represent 'covenant' or I prefer "divine Contract" which is easier to understand for the layman.

According the above, to be a believer-proper one must explicitly [or implicitly] enter into a 'contract' with God where God promised salvation and the believer must comply with all the terms of the contract to the best of his abilities.
There is no other way with your God other than the above requirement.
Do you agree with the above?

My point is the terms of contract must thus be solely be within the holy book that God had conveyed via his messenger and no where else [not in the hadiths which are interpretations].
Whatever the interpretations and jurisprudence, they are invented by humans and thus secondary and has no divine binding on the contract.

God [omniscient] will make his final judgment on the believer's acts in compliance with his dictated terms of contract on judgment day without giving a damm and reference to different interpretations nor those of jurisprudence.
Do you agree with this?
What I know about religion, are mostly the jurisprudential rulings that I have read. But then again, I only read them because I am interested in them for personal reasons, usually because there is a situation in my life that they may apply to. I have never had to deal with covenant theory in a situation in my personal life. So, I don't know anything on the matter. Jurisprudential rulings are a source for personal guidance. If the problem does not apply to you, then why would you try to get guidance on the matter?

As I pointed out before, I am not a religious scholar. I don't read tafsir -- commentary on verses -- either. I am a user of the database for jurisprudential rulings. That's about it, really.
I wrote above:
In your holy text, there are two critical terms, i.e. 'ahd' and 'mīthāq' which represent 'covenant' or I prefer "divine Contract" which is easier to understand for the layman.

According the above, to be a believer-proper one must explicitly [or implicitly] enter into a 'contract' with God where God promised salvation and the believer must comply with all the terms of the contract to the best of his abilities.
There is no other way with your God other than the above requirement.
Do you agree with the above?
You did not give a direct answer to my question.

I am interest to know:
As a true believer, can you confirm you have entered into a contract 'ahd' and 'mīthāq' [divine covenant] with your God?

If you are not sure, you can research or ask in a Q&A.
I am interested in your personal take on the above issue.

Also are you aware of the contractual contents of the contract?
Example what are your expectations out of the contract in fulfilling the terms of the contract.
E.g. if you sign an employment contract, you will expect a salary and various employments benefits as an employee.
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