The constructivist animosity against the law of the excluded middle

[Skepdick]

There's certainly no such axiom or even such a principle about the LEM generally.

The LEM is always true.

Contradiction

I challenge anyone to bring an example from the "real" concrete world where the LEM gets violated.

Wish granted. The example is you.

[Atla]

There's certainly no such axiom or even such a principle about the LEM generally.

The LEM is always true.

Contradiction

I challenge anyone to bring an example from the "real" concrete world where the LEM gets violated.

Wish granted. You violated it.

More drugs eh? The principle that the LEM is always true ie. that it always holds, makes no claim at omniscience.

[Skepdick]

More drugs eh? The principle that the LEM is always true ie. that it always holds, makes no claim at omniscience.

OK great. If LEM always holds then is the number of stars in the universe odd or even?

[Atla]

More drugs eh? The principle that the LEM is always true ie. that it always holds, makes no claim at omniscience.

OK great. If LEM always holds then is the number of stars in the universe odd or even?

It's either odd or even. See, the LEM holds. Wasn't hard was it?

[Skepdick]

More drugs eh? The principle that the LEM is always true ie. that it always holds, makes no claim at omniscience.

OK great. If LEM always holds then is the number of stars in the universe odd or even?

It's either odd or even. See, the LEM holds. Wasn't hard was it?

Until you tell me whether it is odd or even it’s neither odd nor even.

LEM doesn’t hold.

[Atla]

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OK great. If LEM always holds then is the number of stars in the universe odd or even?

It's either odd or even. See, the LEM holds. Wasn't hard was it?

Until you tell me whether it is odd or even it’s neither odd nor even.

LEM doesn’t hold.

Of course it holds. Count them all if you can, and you'll arrive at an odd or even number.

You seem to have hit your head even harder than I thought, when you were little..

[Skepdick]

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It's either odd or even. See, the LEM holds. Wasn't hard was it?

Until you tell me whether it is odd or even it’s neither odd nor even.

LEM doesn’t hold.

Of course it holds. Count them all and you'll arrive at an odd or even number.

You seem to have hit your head even harder than I thought, when you were little..

But until you finish counting them (you haven’t even started yet!!!) the number is neither odd nor even.

When can I expect you to start?
When can I expect you to finish?

[Atla]

Until you tell me whether it is odd or even it’s neither odd nor even.

LEM doesn’t hold.

Of course it holds. Count them all and you'll arrive at an odd or even number.

You seem to have hit your head even harder than I thought, when you were little..

But until you finish counting them (you haven’t even started yet!!!) the number is neither odd nor even.

When can I expect you to start?
When can I expect you to finish?

Then you are saying that parts of the universe don't exist if you're not looking at them.

In which case the number of stars is zero right now since you aren't looking at any.

Keep digging that hole..

[Skepdick]

Of course it holds. Count them all and you'll arrive at an odd or even number.

You seem to have hit your head even harder than I thought, when you were little..

But until you finish counting them (you haven’t even started yet!!!) the number is neither odd nor even.

When can I expect you to start?
When can I expect you to finish?

Then you are saying that parts of the universe don't exist if you're not looking at them.

In which case the number of stars is zero right now since you aren't looking at any.

Keep digging that hole..

It looks like you need some toilet paper for that brain of yours.

All the stars exists. let the number of stars be X.

Is modulo(X) = 0; or is modulo(X) != 0 ?

When can I expect you to start answering the question?
When can I expect you to finish answering it?

[Atla]

But until you finish counting them (you haven’t even started yet!!!) the number is neither odd nor even.

When can I expect you to start?
When can I expect you to finish?

Then you are saying that parts of the universe don't exist if you're not looking at them.

In which case the number of stars is zero right now since you aren't looking at any.

Keep digging that hole..

It looks like you need some toilet paper for that brain of yours.

All the stars exists. let the number of stars be X.

Is modulo(X) = 0; or is modulo(X) != 0 ?

When can I expect you to start answering the question?
When can I expect you to finish answering it?

Whatever X is, it's either odd or even. So the LEM stands. Why and how are you trying to know an unknowable? What the fuck is wrong with you?

[Skepdick]

Then you are saying that parts of the universe don't exist if you're not looking at them.

In which case the number of stars is zero right now since you aren't looking at any.

Keep digging that hole..

It looks like you need some toilet paper for that brain of yours.

All the stars exists. let the number of stars be X.

Is modulo(X) = 0; or is modulo(X) != 0 ?

When can I expect you to start answering the question?
When can I expect you to finish answering it?

Whatever X is, it's either odd or even. So the LEM stands. Why and how are you trying to know an unknowable? What the fuck is wrong with you?

Fucking sophist.

Unknown means it's either odd or even. Which one is it?
Unknowable means it's neither odd nor even.

Either it's unknown; or it's unknowable. Which one is it?

[Atla]

It looks like you need some toilet paper for that brain of yours.

All the stars exists. let the number of stars be X.

Is modulo(X) = 0; or is modulo(X) != 0 ?

When can I expect you to start answering the question?
When can I expect you to finish answering it?

Whatever X is, it's either odd or even. So the LEM stands. Why and how are you trying to know an unknowable? What the fuck is wrong with you?

Fucking sophist.

Unknown means it's either odd or even. Which one is it?
Unknowable means it's neither odd nor even.

Either it's unknown; or it's unknowable. Which one is it?

Unknowable has nothing to do with "neither odd nor even". Just because you can't know something, doesn't mean it isn't a certain way. You don't create the universe. There really is something fundamentally wrong with your thinking.

[Skepdick]

Unknowable has nothing to do with "neither odd nor even". Just because you can't know something, doesn't mean it isn't a certain way. You don't create the universe.

The number of stars is a certain way.

You seem uncertain about which way that is. Odd or even?

There really is something fundamentally wrong with your thinking.

Either there is a fundamental problem with my thinking or there isn't.

You seem uncertain about which one is true.

[Atla]

Unknowable has nothing to do with "neither odd nor even". Just because you can't know something, doesn't mean it isn't a certain way. You don't create the universe.

The number of stars is a certain way.

You seem uncertain about which way that is. Odd or even?

There really is something fundamentally wrong with your thinking.

Either there is a fundamental problem with my thinking or there isn't.

You seem uncertain about which one is true.

Yes we are uncertain if the number of stars is odd or even. But it's either of those two, so the LEM stands. Now you seem to agree with it.

[Skepdick]

Yes we are uncertain if the number of stars is odd or even.

So when you said that the universe is a "certain" way you lied?

You seem uncertain about which certain way the universe is.