Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2024 7:41 am
Here, then, I'll say:
Age wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2024 7:24 am
But, it is not what is 'exhibited' but what is 'intended'.
See, you can 'see' some 'thing' being 'exhibited', but what is what is behind the exhibition might not be what you perceive it is.
Any one who has gone to an art gallery and 'looks at' and 'sees' 'the exhibitions' can express that the 'same behavior' can be 'exhibited', however 'the intention' can be very, very different.
And, what was 'intended', or 'meant', by what was 'said', 'exhibited', or even a 'behavior' will never ever be known, for sure, until actual clarification is sought after and obtained and gained.
1) Oh, look, Age manages to clarify without being asked. A tiny step in the direction of collaboration.
Did you really have to be told that what another intends or means is not known, for sure, by you, until you seek out and obtain and gain actual clarification?
If yes, then there is no wonder why you are so, so far behind here.
Also, and as I have been continually informing you already, 'collaboration' involves the asking of clarifying questions, instead of just assuming or believing things. you, obviously, are failing, falling way behind, and even going in the wrong direction here, in regards to the direction of collaboration here.
Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2024 7:41 am
Your claims that I will not know more unless I ask for clarification were false, even in relation to you.
Now, here 'we' can 'see' a prime example of the 'ego' at work, and of one who believes that it already absolutely knows the thoughts and emotions within other bodies.
This one is so assured of "itself" that it believes, without any doubt at all, that what it considers and believes about others is absolutely true, right, accurate, and correct.
This one is showing and revealing its grandiose self view here. This one actually believes that it knows more about you and others than you and others do.
Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2024 7:41 am
2) Here we are in a situation where words on the screen are what we have.
Well obviously.
Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2024 7:41 am
No tone of voice, no posture, not the look in the other person's eyes.
And, here 'you' are believing that 'you' know the meaning and intention by just 'the words' on a screen in front of you.
Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2024 7:41 am
You know this, but what you choose to exhibit is not the intention, but what you exhibited.
And, what every writer or artist does is to choose to exhibit, what they exhibit.
What you have been completely and utterly missing here, although I have expressed the same thing numerous times already, is exactly what I have chosen to exhibit here.
Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2024 7:41 am
If you want to improve your communication, as you have claimed, then at the very least when you choose to do this, you will make it clear, with words, what you are really doing, behind the scenes.
I will say and write this, once again for you "iwannaplato". What I am here to learn how to communicate better, with you human beings, is not necessarily to be communicated at all here.
I have said and expressed this multiple times already. Not that you were expected to have seen, recognized, comprehended, nor realized this, already.
Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2024 7:41 am
Now you have been informed about this. Perhaps you will improve your communication perhaps not.
Perhaps you will, one day, come to comprehend and understand that it is not you "iwannaplato" who I necessarily want to communicate better with.
After all you are not showing any signs at all that you, really, do want to comprehend, learn, and understand here. So, once more, it is not you that I am necessarily wanting to even communicate with, let alone better with.
Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2024 7:41 am
If that were true or not true, you will never ever know. Unless, of course, you do something first.
If you actually want to communicate better, you will change your communication, or perhaps you will question your own awareness of what you are actually doing or you will avoid communicating better.
I know, exactly, what I am doing, here. I speak and write here, exactly, as I do for very specific reasons. So, 'I' know My own Awareness here.
I am not here to change my communication for you here. I am here to learn how to communicate better with you human beings. That you presume or believe that this is in regards to 'here', in this forum, is because of your own pre-exiting preconceptions, prejudices, presumptions, or beliefs. If you had sought out and obtained and gained actual clarification, first, then you would have already known this. But, because you just wanted to keep going on your own pre-existing assuming or believing alone, I allowed you to.
What 'I' am actually doing here is using 'you' posters here to show and prove how adult human beings used to think and mis/behave, back in the days when this is being written, to show and prove what to do and what not to do.
Showing and revealing how and why it took you human beings, back then, so long to learn how to just obtain actual clarity, and thus be able to 'see' what the actual Truth is, will reveal and show what not to do in the future.
Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2024 7:41 am
Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2024 4:02 am
you need to remember that you have also claimed you came here to improve your communication.
you also need to remember;
1. That hinting or alluding to 'something', which is exactly what you have done here once more, is not the best nor an effective way of communicating.
LOL. If you can manage to be aware of this, then you must be aware that using insulting, critical, judgmental language without at the very least explaining the intention is not the best or most effective way to communicate whatever you intended.
But, 'the point' you keep MISSING here is that I have never used insulting, critical, judgmental language AT ALL.
you are only presuming or believing I have. Again, because you have made assumptions, jumped to conclusions, and carried on without ever just stopping and considering to just seek out and obtain and gain actual clarification first.
you have been MISSING out on the actual meanings, and intentions, behind my purposely chosen words here. And, thus you have been MISSING out on the actual Truth of what I have been doing here as well.
See, for example;
An actual meaning of the word 'stupid' I use is just CLOSED. This is not a criticism, insult, nor judgment about what one is doing. It just is, what 'it' is and just 'what is being done', only. If one is CLOSED, then they are just being stupid.
There is absolutely nothing necessarily wrong nor bad with doing this. This is just what all of 'us', older ones, do, from time to time.
And,
The actual intention of the words I use is to highlight and show just how often the adult human being, in the days when this is being written, will presume or believe things, first, before they will ever even just consider finding out what the actual Truth is, instead.
Again, this is just some thing that 'we', older ones, are all prone to do, and without even thinking nor realizing this, previously. But, once it is recognized and realized how much 'we' do 'do it', then 'we' can stop it, and change our ways. But, one has to first 'see', and realize, how much they do this, before they could even begin to want to stop and change 'that way'.
Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2024 7:41 am
I will suggest, once again, that you learn how to and just say what you actually mean by using the actual words that you actually mean, instead.
LOL. I wonder if you can see the irony of this statement.
I have told you many, many times previously, I do this 'on purpose', because of 'the intent' behind what I am doing here.
you do not seem to have noticed the 'irony' in me many times over saying that I, purposely, write alluding to things to find those who are Truly curios and interested in wanting to know more about what I am actually saying, and meaning. Whereas, even when I go out of my way to ask multiple different clarifying questions, in an attempt to better understand 'the other' and what 'they' are saying and actually meaning, I am ignored or told that I ask too many questions here.
The more that I have been saying, and actually meaning, and even my intention here, becomes known, then the more of what I have been saying and writing so far will be far better understood.
Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2024 7:41 am
2. That you still have absolutely no idea nor clue in regards to what 'it' is that, exactly, that I am learning how to communicate better.
Good that you at least realize you need to do this.
you, really, do have a very severe disability in being able to 'look at' "yourself" right "iwannaplato"?
See, what 'you' do not yet realize 'I' have done far more work than you could even imagine, yet. And, 'I' am here not for what 'you' have been so far imagining.
Do you not 'see' the 'irony' is saying, 'Good that you at least realize you need to do this', which I said you are 'free to learn', while it has been 'me' who has continually said and stated that 'I' am here to learn how to communicate better, with you human beings?
you have never ever said that you need to learn how to do absolutely any thing here. And, the way you speak and write here you come across as though you do not need help in any thing, nor need to learn absolutely any thing else, also. you come across as though 'you' are "the teacher", and that is your own role, in Life.
Saying that it is good that I, at least, realize you need to learn things here shows that you are, really and truly, been MISSING what I have been saying, and meaning, here all along.
Although what you were trying to do here was deflect, off 'you', and 'put the light' back on to 'me', as some might say, what you actually accomplished here was showing and proving just how much you are actually missing and/or misunderstanding here.
Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2024 7:41 am
Until you demonstrate otherwise, I see criticism. It's possible that it's terrible communication.
But, it is never ever 'you', is it "iwannaplato"?
It could never ever be "iwannplato's" misunderstanding, misinterpretations, misreading, nor missing anything here.
It is never ever "iwannaplato" making wrong assumptions nor ever believing anything wrong here.
It is absolutely, always, 'my communication' that is bad, terrible, wrong, or incorrect, and always right "iwannaplato"?
Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2024 7:41 am
False generalization.
Is it?
Are you here trying to suggest that when parents give children a belting, for example, that the parents do not call this 'tough love', or that when parents punish, humiliate, or ridicule children that the parents do not call this 'tough love' neither?
Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2024 7:41 am
I have never his a child and I do not call it love when others do.
Did your parents ever hit you, punish you, humiliate you, or ridicule you?
If no, are you sure?
But, if yes, then did they 'try to justify' this Wrong behaving as 'you needed this', or, 'I do this because I love you', or, 'It's tough love'?
Could they have done this kind of 'attempts at justification' without you ever hearing those exact words?
Also, why have you never hit a child? Do you have children?
Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2024 7:41 am
I am sorry about whatever you went through, if there is something in your childhood that makes you generalize so poorly.
'Look at' the actual words I have just used above here.
'We' wait, to 'see', if 'you' ever provide 'us' with clarification, and thus actual clarity here.
Also, have 'you' been showing 'us' how poorly you 'generalize' or presume things?
If no, then can 'we' be sorry about whatever you went through, if there is something in your childhood that has made you 'assume' so poorly here, as well?
If 'i' was brought up, exactly, how you were, why would 'you' be sorry about what 'i' went through?
Did 'you' have that much of a bad or horrific 'upbringing' that 'you' feel sorry for, and about?
Or, do you believe that there is absolutely nothing from your childhood that has made you so poor at assuming things here?
Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2024 7:41 am
If you don't know that, then you don't know the purpose of communication.
Once again, you completely and utterly missed or misunderstood 'the point'.
But, again, this is just because you began to presume Wrong things, and jumped to a Wrong conclusion, before you ever actually obtained actual clarity, first.
If you are continually so poor at assuming things Correctly, then you do not realize just how poorly you are communicating here, either.
Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2024 7:41 am
Remember, when you criticized humans you used verbs to describe their behavior.
Remember I never criticized you human beings. Remember you just Wrong presume I did. And, remember that since you jumped to the conclusion that I did, you have been believing that this is the absolute truth here.
Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2024 7:41 am
Those verbs, except, as far as I know the last one, apply to your behavior here. If, really, inside you, your intention is not to do these things, your communication was terrible.
OF COURSE IT IS 'MY COMMUNICATION' THAT WAS TERRIBLE.
From the outset with 'you' it has always been, right?