A kind of trolley problem

[Sculptor]

Well, as someone with a mental illness, I often feel unworthy of life. Even Marx would call me "lumpenproletariat" because I'm not useful to 'the revolution'. Sometimes I wonder if Marx wasn't influenced by Calvinism.

Marx was keen to lift the people from their chains.
Calvin was a snotty arse.
Feeling unworthy does not mean others do, or ought to, feel that you are unworthy. My brothers was full on schizophrenic with paranoid tendancies. From the age of 18 to his death age 62 he never worked and lived off the state and the largesse of our mum.
If I had ever seen him drowning I would have thrown him the ring over any mechanic, peer of the realm, aristocrat or monarch.
And if I had your acquaintance for any length of time I'd thrown you the ring over any stranger.

Thank you. I appreciate the sentiment.

It's what any one would do who gives a shit.
The world we live in is not constructed to appeal to everyone. We've rushed along this madness called civilisation all too fast, for us to cope.
We are naked apes used to small scale groups; not techno savvy cogs in a mad world of high population density. In times of scarcity or perceived danger some thrash out at the vulnerable; trans , racial minorities, immigrants, etc.. It is to your credt that you do not.

[Age]

Fair enough. forget about it. I'll move on to something else.

Okay, but asking whether or not a person with mental health issues has less moral right to live against a mechanic is odd.

Well, as someone with a mental illness, I often feel unworthy of life.

Why do you speak of 'you with a mental illness', as though all others do not have a mental illness?

Just so you become aware and are clear here "gary childress", every adult human being has 'a mental illness'. you, "gary childress", are not unique nor special in this way.

Do you comprehend and understand this?

Even Marx would call me "lumpenproletariat" because I'm not useful to 'the revolution'. Sometimes I wonder if Marx wasn't influenced by Calvinism.

[Peter Kropotkin]

Fair enough. forget about it. I'll move on to something else.

Okay, but asking whether or not a person with mental health issues has less moral right to live against a mechanic is odd.

Well, as someone with a mental illness, I often feel unworthy of life. Even Marx would call me "lumpenproletariat" because I'm not useful to 'the revolution'. Sometimes I wonder if Marx wasn't influenced by Calvinism.

K: here is something... the idea that one feels ''unworthy of life''.. and how
exactly are we to judge that idea? I hold that tub of lard IQ45 is the greatest
waste of space that ever existed... and many have told me I am wrong, and yet,
on what basis are we to judge that matter? I have no place to stand and
proclaim that my ''truth'' is the only truth that counts... that your ''truths''
are wrong compared to my ''truths''... how would we even know?

and the interesting thing is the most wrong we ever are, are about our
own place in the sun... I have an understanding of my place in the universe
and yet, people often tell me they hold me in a totally different way than I
thought of myself.... or said another way.. as human beings, our greatest
blindness is ourselves... we have a major blind spot when it involves ourselves...
I know I do... we are blind to our talents and values and what we can offer the
world... it is often that the ones who don't see their value, miss how
important their ideas and values and existence really are...

the truth is that we have more value than we think we do....
it is a mystery how that worked out, but it is the truth...
you are blind to your own value to the world...
as I am blind to my own value to the world... it is
human nature to not see what our value really is...

I am a flawed human being.. and I know it... but I ignore that.. I don't
hang myself with that knowledge...I simply go on as if I were the
greatest human being that ever lived... and it doesn't matter if I am
right or not... I may not see my value but others do see my value...
even if they don't say anything... and we all see your value..
even if we don't say anything...

Kropotkin

[Age]

Okay, but asking whether or not a person with mental health issues has less moral right to live against a mechanic is odd.

Well, as someone with a mental illness, I often feel unworthy of life. Even Marx would call me "lumpenproletariat" because I'm not useful to 'the revolution'. Sometimes I wonder if Marx wasn't influenced by Calvinism.

K: here is something... the idea that one feels ''unworthy of life''.. and how
exactly are we to judge that idea? I hold that tub of lard IQ45 is the greatest
waste of space that ever existed... and many have told me I am wrong, and yet,
on what basis are we to judge that matter? I have no place to stand and
proclaim that my ''truth'' is the only truth that counts... that your ''truths''
are wrong compared to my ''truths''... how would we even know?

By just expressing them, and then being OPEN to them being Wrong, being questioned, and being challenged. That is how 'we' would know if what one claims is Wrong or not.

How much simpler and easier could this get?

and the interesting thing is the most wrong we ever are, are about our
own place in the sun... I have an understanding of my place in the universe
and yet, people often tell me they hold me in a totally different way than I
thought of myself.... or said another way.. as human beings, our greatest
blindness is ourselves... we have a major blind spot when it involves ourselves...
I know I do...

Yet you still come here presenting 'your own personal truths' as though they are the real and/or only one/s.

we are blind to our talents and values and what we can offer the
world... it is often that the ones who don't see their value, miss how
important their ideas and values and existence really are...

the truth is that we have more value than we think we do....
it is a mystery how that worked out, but it is the truth...
you are blind to your own value to the world...
as I am blind to my own value to the world... it is
human nature to not see what our value really is...

But, once again, this personal view of 'human nature' is False, Wrong, Inaccurate, and Incorrect, again.

It is and was not 'human nature' to not see what your value really is. For those of you adult human beings who have not yet seen what 'your value' is, then this is because of False, Wrong, Inaccurate, and/or Incorrect 'teachings', 'taught' to you by others who have 'Wrong teachings' indoctrinated into them, as well.

It is NOT 'human nature' to not see the actual Truth of things. In fact the very opposite is the actual Truth. The 'nature' of the 'human being' is being able to learn, understand, and thus see, and reason any and/or all things, instead.

I am a flawed human being..

Once again, this 'personal view/truth' of yours here is False, Wrong, Inaccurate, and Incorrect "peter kropotkin"

'you' are not a 'flawed human being'.

and I know it... but I ignore that.. I don't
hang myself with that knowledge...I simply go on as if I were the
greatest human being that ever lived...

Why jump from one False belief straight into another obviously False belief.

Not one of you human beings is greater nor less than another human being. And, to think or believe so is just further proof of Wrong and False 'teachings'.

and it doesn't matter if I am
right or not...

Now 'this' is what you are in True denial of, and/or what you are Truly ignoring here.

I may not see my value but others do see my value...
even if they don't say anything... and we all see your value..
even if we don't say anything...

Kropotkin

So, if this here is true "peter kropotkin", then what is 'the value' of "gary childress", exactly?

[Peter Kropotkin]

Well, as someone with a mental illness, I often feel unworthy of life. Even Marx would call me "lumpenproletariat" because I'm not useful to 'the revolution'. Sometimes I wonder if Marx wasn't influenced by Calvinism.

K: here is something... the idea that one feels ''unworthy of life''.. and how
exactly are we to judge that idea? I hold that tub of lard IQ45 is the greatest
waste of space that ever existed... and many have told me I am wrong, and yet,
on what basis are we to judge that matter? I have no place to stand and
proclaim that my ''truth'' is the only truth that counts... that your ''truths''
are wrong compared to my ''truths''... how would we even know?

By just expressing them, and then being OPEN to them being Wrong, being questioned, and being challenged. That is how 'we' would know if what one claims is Wrong or not.

How much simpler and easier could this get?

and the interesting thing is the most wrong we ever are, are about our
own place in the sun... I have an understanding of my place in the universe
and yet, people often tell me they hold me in a totally different way than I
thought of myself.... or said another way.. as human beings, our greatest
blindness is ourselves... we have a major blind spot when it involves ourselves...
I know I do...

Yet you still come here presenting 'your own personal truths' as though they are the real and/or only one/s.

we are blind to our talents and values and what we can offer the
world... it is often that the ones who don't see their value, miss how
important their ideas and values and existence really are...

the truth is that we have more value than we think we do....
it is a mystery how that worked out, but it is the truth...
you are blind to your own value to the world...
as I am blind to my own value to the world... it is
human nature to not see what our value really is...

But, once again, this personal view of 'human nature' is False, Wrong, Inaccurate, and Incorrect, again.

It is and was not 'human nature' to not see what your value really is. For those of you adult human beings who have not yet seen what 'your value' is, then this is because of False, Wrong, Inaccurate, and/or Incorrect 'teachings', 'taught' to you by others who have 'Wrong teachings' indoctrinated into them, as well.

It is NOT 'human nature' to not see the actual Truth of things. In fact the very opposite is the actual Truth. The 'nature' of the 'human being' is being able to learn, understand, and thus see, and reason any and/or all things, instead.

I am a flawed human being..

Once again, this 'personal view/truth' of yours here is False, Wrong, Inaccurate, and Incorrect "peter kropotkin"

'you' are not a 'flawed human being'.

and I know it... but I ignore that.. I don't
hang myself with that knowledge...I simply go on as if I were the
greatest human being that ever lived...

Why jump from one False belief straight into another obviously False belief.

Not one of you human beings is greater nor less than another human being. And, to think or believe so is just further proof of Wrong and False 'teachings'.

and it doesn't matter if I am
right or not...

Now 'this' is what you are in True denial of, and/or what you are Truly ignoring here.

I may not see my value but others do see my value...
even if they don't say anything... and we all see your value..
even if we don't say anything...

Kropotkin

So, if this here is true "peter kropotkin", then what is 'the value' of "gary childress", exactly?

K: I have not been shy about my feelings about Age... without a doubt,
the worst thinker on this site.. but even Age has some value, even
if it is the negative.. in other words, Age is a great example of
what not to do.. one could become a reasonable good philosopher
by simple doing the opposite of whatever Age is doing.. again,
a strength by the negative... and as far as Gary goes.. his strength
comes from having a very different viewpoint... I take him at his word,
that he has mental issues... but frankly, in this modern age, who doesn't?
and that viewpoint, Gary has a very interesting viewpoint... vastly different
from mine or yours...and that difference makes for him having a value
for us...

Kropotkin

[Age]

K: here is something... the idea that one feels ''unworthy of life''.. and how
exactly are we to judge that idea? I hold that tub of lard IQ45 is the greatest
waste of space that ever existed... and many have told me I am wrong, and yet,
on what basis are we to judge that matter? I have no place to stand and
proclaim that my ''truth'' is the only truth that counts... that your ''truths''
are wrong compared to my ''truths''... how would we even know?

By just expressing them, and then being OPEN to them being Wrong, being questioned, and being challenged. That is how 'we' would know if what one claims is Wrong or not.

How much simpler and easier could this get?

and the interesting thing is the most wrong we ever are, are about our
own place in the sun... I have an understanding of my place in the universe
and yet, people often tell me they hold me in a totally different way than I
thought of myself.... or said another way.. as human beings, our greatest
blindness is ourselves... we have a major blind spot when it involves ourselves...
I know I do...

Yet you still come here presenting 'your own personal truths' as though they are the real and/or only one/s.

we are blind to our talents and values and what we can offer the
world... it is often that the ones who don't see their value, miss how
important their ideas and values and existence really are...

the truth is that we have more value than we think we do....
it is a mystery how that worked out, but it is the truth...
you are blind to your own value to the world...
as I am blind to my own value to the world... it is
human nature to not see what our value really is...

But, once again, this personal view of 'human nature' is False, Wrong, Inaccurate, and Incorrect, again.

It is and was not 'human nature' to not see what your value really is. For those of you adult human beings who have not yet seen what 'your value' is, then this is because of False, Wrong, Inaccurate, and/or Incorrect 'teachings', 'taught' to you by others who have 'Wrong teachings' indoctrinated into them, as well.

It is NOT 'human nature' to not see the actual Truth of things. In fact the very opposite is the actual Truth. The 'nature' of the 'human being' is being able to learn, understand, and thus see, and reason any and/or all things, instead.

I am a flawed human being..

Once again, this 'personal view/truth' of yours here is False, Wrong, Inaccurate, and Incorrect "peter kropotkin"

'you' are not a 'flawed human being'.

and I know it... but I ignore that.. I don't
hang myself with that knowledge...I simply go on as if I were the
greatest human being that ever lived...

Why jump from one False belief straight into another obviously False belief.

Not one of you human beings is greater nor less than another human being. And, to think or believe so is just further proof of Wrong and False 'teachings'.

and it doesn't matter if I am
right or not...

Now 'this' is what you are in True denial of, and/or what you are Truly ignoring here.

I may not see my value but others do see my value...
even if they don't say anything... and we all see your value..
even if we don't say anything...

Kropotkin

So, if this here is true "peter kropotkin", then what is 'the value' of "gary childress", exactly?

K: I have not been shy about my feelings about Age... without a doubt,
the worst thinker on this site.. but even Age has some value, even
if it is the negative.. in other words, Age is a great example of
what not to do.. one could become a reasonable good philosopher
by simple doing the opposite of whatever Age is doing.. again,
a strength by the negative... and as far as Gary goes.. his strength
comes from having a very different viewpoint... I take him at his word,
that he has mental issues... but frankly, in this modern age, who doesn't?
and that viewpoint, Gary has a very interesting viewpoint... vastly different
from mine or yours...and that difference makes for him having a value
for us...

Kropotkin

So, once again;

I, for example, provide 'the answer', and thus clarification, for what this one claims it was seeking, and, once again, this one then tries its hardest to put me down and discredit me.

This one just repeats more or less what I said and pointed out, and then claims that I am the so-called 'worst thinker' on this site.

This one never backs up nor supports its claims even when asked.

[Peter Kropotkin]

you asked me for the value of Gary and I told you...

Kropotkin