Wizard (and not in any way Harbal) wrote the following silliness.
This is a common lie and slander by Anti-Catholics. And it's a failed argument for a few main reasons:
1) It's not true and never was true.
Over tremendous resistance it was demonstrated to be the case in many many places.
2) Even if it were true, Catholics condemn it, which means it is Unsanctioned.
ACtually the church hid it in ways that can be documented and this lasted for decades that we now about. I think it would be naive to think it hasn't gone on for centuries. It was defacto santioned and priests who did this were often moved to new places where they had access to children. The church denied it, hid it, threatened media, pressured politicians and eventually it came out anyway.
3) Since it is Unsanctioned, it doesn't represent the greater Catholic faith or body.
You're missing the other point, that the very nature of the celibacy of the priests leads to the problems. And the greater context of the CC's judgements of sex and distaste for it, which seeped in practices and communication for centuries, leads to all kinds of decadence perversion and abuse. And when these kind of judgments get finally rebelled against, other excesses are going to appear.
4)
Catholicism's sexual morality revolves around virgin wife,
Actually that is no longer true. Non- virgins on both sides are welcome into the sanctity of marriage. And that's official church view now. When this happened I don't know and there isn't a single good reason to have such a policy for one sex and not the other.
marriage in the house of God, and the husband's duties.
So?
The type of lie of slandering Catholic priests, claiming that they're pedophiles when they're not.
Obviously not all of them, but in great numbers and the church itself systematically denied this, punished victims socially, used political and legal power to hide and silence people and media.
When they're the EXACT OPPOSITE, and God's Representatives on Earth. When they represent Purity, Piety, Sacrifice, Commitment, and many other claims to Virtue. Can YOU imagine devoting your life to God's Work?
Can you? You've had extramarital sex or claimed to in any case, so you can't even manage to follow the rules of non-priests members of the church. As far as myself, I don't believe in the Catholic idiotic view of God. That's not a version I'd work for: one who makes hell, makes people a certain way, then judges half or more of that as evil, who thinks crucifying his son/self and calling this a great loving act and guilt tripping people from birth and so on is someone to work for. So, my sense of what God's work is doesn't fit with this perverse, decadent deity.
I don't think so. Very few people can, undertake such a task.
So, what? Very few people would hit themselves in the face with a hammer each day either.
Wizard quoted in his ignorance of sequence:
"GENEVA -- The Vatican revealed Tuesday that over the past decade, it has defrocked 848 priests who raped or molested children and sanctioned another 2,572 with lesser penalties, providing the first ever breakdown of how it handled the more than 3,400 cases of abuse reported to the Holy See since 2004.
The Vatican's U.N. ambassador in Geneva, Archbishop Silvano Tomasi, released the figures during a second day of grilling by a U.N. committee monitoring implementation of the U.N. treaty against torture."
OK moron. That's fucking it. I have no patience for the coupling of simplistic rage and stupidity.
and that's you in a nutshell.
Why?
You just go grab some article that misses the whole point and think you're entitled to your stupid rage.
The story broke completely in the US in 2001. That's when it became impossible for the church to continue its systematic denial and failure to addres the problem.
Great, they did some good stuff AFTER YEARS OF DENIAL, after years of re-victimizing those victims who had the courage to step forward and scaring off others, AFTER YEARS of continuing to put priest WHOM THEY KNEW HAD A SERIOUS PROBLEM in the company of children.
Spotlight is a decent film on how it broke in the US.
This was a sick, diseased organization, the CC. They did a horrible, lying, systematic disservice to Catholics, hell even the priests themelves who were abusers.
And none of this is a coincidence, given the toxic sexual metaphysics and practices in the CC.
I don't think you know much history. I don't think you know much about the Catholic Church. I doubt you know much about human nature and psychology.
But still you are so fucking sure of yourself with you tiny pieces of 'knowledge' that you're happy to rage away, over the internet.
You have the stupidity to ask me if I would give my life to God's work in that condescending way, when you don't even believe in God.
This organization you are defending throughout much of its history could have considered putting you to death for your lack of beliefs. And priests were sure as shit, compressed in their celibacy, abusing parishoners going way back. Hell, you should see what the Bad Popes got into.....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bad_Popes
And that's just the stuff that people managed to bring into the light.
We know this organization will happily use its incredible wealth and power to suppress information. It's only because of democracy, technological changes and growing awareness of PTSD for example, in abuse victims and other advances in psychology, that victims were taken seriously.
We've been as a species slowly undermining the ability of people in power to silence people. There are countertrends, but some of these long term abuses finally got into the light because people realized that even organizations that present themselves as moral and better and close to God can actually be something else. Just as soldiers have been catching on more and more that wars are not necessarily about protecting their countries or helping people.
I know you won't stop, just assuming that your rage and scattered snippets of reading justify whatever hopelessly silly posting you want to do.
But people who actually spend time forming opinions and look at a wide range of sources...they're going to think you're silly at best.
But yeah, you just nurture that self-righteous rage and your simple binary view of reality. The people in power love that shit. You might as well be on their payroll, but you do it for free.