Sex and the Religious-Left

[Dubious]

There is a lot of truth in this statement but its opposite must also be considered because it exists in volumes. Why would so many souls who, no doubt, consider themselves noble with the best of intentions, congregate around a thoroughly classless piece of human crud like Trump who manifests his deficiencies every time he opens his mouth; one who is bereft of every single virtue humans normally respond to. What, pray, is the purpose and meaning in that? What makes the masses gravitate around such an exemplar of human deformity? It amounts to a paradox mentioned many times...more so that it's the evangelical Christians who are among his main supporters, adopting him as the new Messiah of Christian virtues. It only proves once again how religion overall, but especially in the U.S. has drowned almost every one of its professed historic merits into a cesspool or could it be it never arose from there in the first place, openly demonstrating that by its deficiency new realignments are in the works opposite to what the Constitution upholds but mostly the ecumenical responsibilities it has voluntarily adopted and instigated since the end of WWII.

Here is Trump's character before he was smeared and turned on by the Liberal press:
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJ7ibdCVGcw)

Liberal-Leftist-Democrat-Marxists all seem to have goldfish memory. I'm old enough to remember when the Liberal-press loved Donald Trump. Remember, that's YOUR side. Trump had Oprah interviews. Trump had interviews on The View. Trump was loved and adored by the Far-Leftists. ...this was before he ran for President.

So this only proves that the love-hate relationship toward Trump, the Trump-Derangement-Syndrome, is purely political, purely for show. That's why the Left can claim to "love" somebody one minute—and hate them the next.

It's purely political power, partisanship.


Furthermore, this old Rona Barrett interview demonstrates and proves that Trump is a romantic-idealist. He believed/still believes in, the "American Dream". Many cynics and pessimists, especially the Washington DC political class, do not. Most Leftists, do not.

What counts is NOW; it is always NOW which determines the next moment, and all the next moments which determine the future. So what he used to be, however qualified, has nothing to do with the fact he now comes across as one mentally deranged old fart who by his own words endorses Putin invading Europe. Whatever useless labels you apply, Trump's mindset is thoroughly totalitarian. Does this demented old fucker even realize who his ancestors were and what country they historically inhabited?

[Iwannaplato]

We can now see why Catholicism rose in the Decadent Roman Empire, why it was Necessary to do so, to protect the Plebian and Proles against these Satanic forces and cultism.

Catholicism is decadent. In nearly every country it has led to regular sexual abuse of children by the supposedly closer to God celebate priests. It has created the madonna/whore split in men's mind or exacerbated it, because the hatred in the church of sex goes against human nature, both male and female. If you can only take this last statement of mine as meaning total freedom everything's ok, that's because you often only think, for us here, in utterly binary terms.

One positive aspect of Christianity was that it went against the hierarchy, not that it went against sex. Anyone could join God, anyone could be holy, etc. And that meant women, men, children, any race, any nationality. And let's be clear, Christianity was revolutionary. It was a NON-European religion. It was NOT conservative. It was NOT traditional in Europe. It became a globalist, mulitcultural and multi-ethnic organization (as was the Roman Empire). The Council of Nicea was mutliculty and not just European and pretty much determined the ideas of the church for centuries to come'. There are good facets to these things, but the irony seems to escape you.

[Wizard22]

What counts is NOW; it is always NOW which determines the next moment, and all the next moments which determine the future. So what he used to be, however qualified, has nothing to do with the fact he now comes across as one mentally deranged old fart who by his own words endorses Putin invading Europe. Whatever useless labels you apply, Trump's mindset is thoroughly totalitarian. Does this demented old fucker even realize who his ancestors were and what country they historically inhabited?

No, what counts is BEFORE and AFTER, why the change? Why the flip? Why the betrayal? Your side is forced to explain this flip-flop, from love to hate, and how easy it is for the masses to switch between love and hate so flippantly. That signals something much deeper—that one's loyalty to a person or an ideal, is easily bought and sold. A low price.

Like that of a low-priced hooker, nobody respects. THAT type of "love" or hate?

(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgrcCDSDuSE)


Liberals cannot be trusted, because of how easily their loyalty switches, and is bought and paid for.

So let's examine the switch. Why the betrayal, exactly? The US Mass Media, controlled by liberals, leftists, and marxists, and the Washington DC Uniparty, detests Trump because he is above the political class. The US political class serves their Donors, the uber-rich and wealth, especially the Israel Lobby who control the Federal Reserve. These people control the dollar printing press. So they can just print themselves more money, should they need it. With that money, they pay both sides of Congress, Democrat and Republican. Donald Trump was not, and never was a politician. He was never bought-and-paid for. Rather he was one of the Donors, America's true 'Elite' class, again, whom the politicians serve.

The US Political system does *NOT* and *NEVER HAS* served the American people. Well, they might have done so during the 1600s-1800s for a little while, when the colonies and settlements were still small. But at some point, the connection to the American people was severed, and it became international. Trump is an ideologue who believes it should still "serve the people" or "serve America". From that first clip, he stated as much. He was/is a romantic-idealist, very dangerous to be in Washington DC.

Anyway, the main point here, is that US politicians are prostitutes for money, from their donors, who pay for their political campaigns, their gifts, their political power. All US politicians have a price.

Trump does not, because he was/is a Billionaire, and doesn't serve the Donor class. He *IS* the Donor class. And that's why Washington DC despises him so much...because his hands are clean, by comparison. He hasn't needed to bend on hands and knees, and grovel to donors, and the uber-wealthy, like the rest of the DC prostitutes.

That's why they hate him. And that's why they make *YOU* hate him, through their mass-media control. They dictate what the masses 'feel' or 'believe', through the media.


This is why they/you turned on him, 180 degrees.

[Wizard22]

Catholicism is decadent. In nearly every country it has led to regular sexual abuse of children by the supposedly closer to God celebate priests.

This is a common lie and slander by Anti-Catholics. And it's a failed argument for a few main reasons:

1) It's not true and never was true.
2) Even if it were true, Catholics condemn it, which means it is Unsanctioned.
3) Since it is Unsanctioned, it doesn't represent the greater Catholic faith or body.
4) Catholicism's sexual morality revolves around virgin wife, marriage in the house of God, and the husband's duties.
5) There's no debates about this. It's not a matter of "if" but when. The Religious-Left has no Alternative, no Solution.

Now let's compare the pedophiles and sexual deviants of the Religious-Left... Hairball, on this forum, a bunch of transvestites dancing a drag show, stripper show, in front of kids, in front of a sign that says "It Isn't Going To Lick Itself", while Hairball plays a fool, pretending like he doesn't know what the sign means... it means sucking dick. It means "rim jobs", licking somebody's anus. Even 10-year-olds know this, on the playground of grade school. It's common sense. Then he has the audacity to accuse Alexis of being 'sinister'. No, HE is the sinister one, by protecting and perpetrating such lies.

The type of lie of slandering Catholic priests, claiming that they're pedophiles when they're not. When they're the EXACT OPPOSITE, and God's Representatives on Earth. When they represent Purity, Piety, Sacrifice, Commitment, and many other claims to Virtue. Can YOU imagine devoting your life to God's Work? I don't think so. Very few people can, undertake such a task.

The Morality of the Right, is the exact opposite, and incomparable, incompatible of the Immorality of the Left.

The Right is against Sin.

The Left revels in Sin.

You have no basis for your groundless attack.

It has created the madonna/whore split in men's mind or exacerbated it,

A woman who has had zero sexual partners is NOT the same as a woman who has several, or a dozen, or a hundred sexual partners though.

For you to claim that such women are "EQUAL", or that it doesn't matter how many sexual partners a woman has, just shows how wrong and deluded you are.

When women are 'had' by men, used up, they become jaded and distrustful, resentful of men. They develop Misandry and man-hatred as a result.

Leftism promotes such jadedness. It degrades and insults women. It debases the female gender totally.

because the hatred in the church of sex goes against human nature, both male and female. If you can only take this last statement of mine as meaning total freedom everything's ok, that's because you often only think, for us here, in utterly binary terms.

Again, you are EXACTLY wrong.

The Church's sanctity of marriage, by which sex is accessed, is the purest form of love making and sexual ecstasy. Because the virgin wife, devoted to her husband, sanctioned by God in the Church, the house of God, is purely procreative. It is NOT recreational.

Difference: Procreation, versus, Recreation.

One is for fun. One is for REAL. One is the REAL DEAL. The other is a FAKE.

One positive aspect of Christianity was that it went against the hierarchy, not that it went against sex. Anyone could join God, anyone could be holy, etc. And that meant women, men, children, any race, any nationality.

That's not true.

You cannot Sin, or advocate Sin, and then "join God". You must SACRIFICE. You must REPENT. You must ATONE. None of these terms have meaning to the Liberal-Left, who pursue Sin willingly and lovingly. It's the exact opposite.

And let's be clear, Christianity was revolutionary. It was a NON-European religion. It was NOT conservative. It was NOT traditional in Europe.

All wrong, as typical of your PROTESTATIONS of the Church, Iwan.

Catholicism began in Rome, in the Vatican. Catholics were purely Roman/European priests, wise-men, philosophers, intellectuals. Catholics were originally Cultists of Jupiter in Rome. They were the ones who sanctified and 'baptised' Roman leaders and senators, absolving them of public crimes legally. The Roman Senate or Dictat, were above common laws and could not be charged except through the Senate. Catholics became 'Catholic' by integrating Christ and His Word into their Roman religions and mysticism. Catholics were Roman, they still are today, and Christ was the Jewish infusion, intermixing Roman Paganism with Jewish Semitism.

Christianity is a rebellion within Judaism and Semitism, by those who reject God-incarnate, who are 'Jews' today, and all those who accepted God's Sacrifice/Offering, who are 'Christians' today.

Catholicism is the integration of Christianity into the Roman Public.

It became a globalist, mulitcultural and multi-ethnic organization (as was the Roman Empire). The Council of Nicea was mutliculty and not just European and pretty much determined the ideas of the church for centuries to come'. There are good facets to these things, but the irony seems to escape you.

Seems like you're the one missing the irony...?

[Harbal]

Why the flip? Why the betrayal? Your side is forced to explain this flip-flop, from love to hate, and how easy it is for the masses to switch between love and hate so flippantly.

So the masses are doing too much flippant flip-flopping, are they?

[Harbal]

Now let's compare the pedophiles and sexual deviants of the Religious-Left... Hairball, on this forum, a bunch of transvestites dancing a drag show, stripper show, in front of kids, in front of a sign that says "It Isn't Going To Lick Itself", while Hairball plays a fool, pretending like he doesn't know what the sign means... it means sucking dick. It means "rim jobs", licking somebody's anus. Even 10-year-olds know this, on the playground of grade school. It's common sense. Then he has the audacity to accuse Alexis of being 'sinister'. No, HE is the sinister one, by protecting and perpetrating such lies.

No publicity is bad publicity, as they say.

[Wizard22]

No publicity is bad publicity, as they say.

[Harbal]

Catholicism is decadent. In nearly every country it has led to regular sexual abuse of children by the supposedly closer to God celebate priests.

This is a common lie and slander by Anti-Catholics. And it's a failed argument for a few main reasons:

1) It's not true and never was true.
2) Even if it were true, Catholics condemn it, which means it is Unsanctioned.
3) Since it is Unsanctioned, it doesn't represent the greater Catholic faith or body.
4) Catholicism's sexual morality revolves around virgin wife, marriage in the house of God, and the husband's duties.
5) There's no debates about this. It's not a matter of "if" but when. The Religious-Left has no Alternative, no Solution.

Now let's compare the pedophiles and sexual deviants of the Religious-Left... Hairball, on this forum, a bunch of transvestites dancing a drag show, stripper show, in front of kids, in front of a sign that says "It Isn't Going To Lick Itself", while Hairball plays a fool, pretending like he doesn't know what the sign means... it means sucking dick. It means "rim jobs", licking somebody's anus. Even 10-year-olds know this, on the playground of grade school. It's common sense. Then he has the audacity to accuse Alexis of being 'sinister'. No, HE is the sinister one, by protecting and perpetrating such lies.

The type of lie of slandering Catholic priests, claiming that they're pedophiles when they're not. When they're the EXACT OPPOSITE, and God's Representatives on Earth. When they represent Purity, Piety, Sacrifice, Commitment, and many other claims to Virtue. Can YOU imagine devoting your life to God's Work? I don't think so. Very few people can, undertake such a task.

"GENEVA -- The Vatican revealed Tuesday that over the past decade, it has defrocked 848 priests who raped or molested children and sanctioned another 2,572 with lesser penalties, providing the first ever breakdown of how it handled the more than 3,400 cases of abuse reported to the Holy See since 2004.

The Vatican's U.N. ambassador in Geneva, Archbishop Silvano Tomasi, released the figures during a second day of grilling by a U.N. committee monitoring implementation of the U.N. treaty against torture."

[Iwannaplato]

Wizard (and not in any way Harbal) wrote the following silliness.

This is a common lie and slander by Anti-Catholics. And it's a failed argument for a few main reasons:

1) It's not true and never was true.

Over tremendous resistance it was demonstrated to be the case in many many places.

2) Even if it were true, Catholics condemn it, which means it is Unsanctioned.

ACtually the church hid it in ways that can be documented and this lasted for decades that we now about. I think it would be naive to think it hasn't gone on for centuries. It was defacto santioned and priests who did this were often moved to new places where they had access to children. The church denied it, hid it, threatened media, pressured politicians and eventually it came out anyway.

3) Since it is Unsanctioned, it doesn't represent the greater Catholic faith or body.

You're missing the other point, that the very nature of the celibacy of the priests leads to the problems. And the greater context of the CC's judgements of sex and distaste for it, which seeped in practices and communication for centuries, leads to all kinds of decadence perversion and abuse. And when these kind of judgments get finally rebelled against, other excesses are going to appear.

4)

Catholicism's sexual morality revolves around virgin wife,

Actually that is no longer true. Non- virgins on both sides are welcome into the sanctity of marriage. And that's official church view now. When this happened I don't know and there isn't a single good reason to have such a policy for one sex and not the other.

marriage in the house of God, and the husband's duties.

So?

The type of lie of slandering Catholic priests, claiming that they're pedophiles when they're not.

Obviously not all of them, but in great numbers and the church itself systematically denied this, punished victims socially, used political and legal power to hide and silence people and media.

When they're the EXACT OPPOSITE, and God's Representatives on Earth. When they represent Purity, Piety, Sacrifice, Commitment, and many other claims to Virtue. Can YOU imagine devoting your life to God's Work?

Can you? You've had extramarital sex or claimed to in any case, so you can't even manage to follow the rules of non-priests members of the church. As far as myself, I don't believe in the Catholic idiotic view of God. That's not a version I'd work for: one who makes hell, makes people a certain way, then judges half or more of that as evil, who thinks crucifying his son/self and calling this a great loving act and guilt tripping people from birth and so on is someone to work for. So, my sense of what God's work is doesn't fit with this perverse, decadent deity.

I don't think so. Very few people can, undertake such a task.

So, what? Very few people would hit themselves in the face with a hammer each day either.

Wizard quoted in his ignorance of sequence:

"GENEVA -- The Vatican revealed Tuesday that over the past decade, it has defrocked 848 priests who raped or molested children and sanctioned another 2,572 with lesser penalties, providing the first ever breakdown of how it handled the more than 3,400 cases of abuse reported to the Holy See since 2004.

The Vatican's U.N. ambassador in Geneva, Archbishop Silvano Tomasi, released the figures during a second day of grilling by a U.N. committee monitoring implementation of the U.N. treaty against torture."

OK moron. That's fucking it. I have no patience for the coupling of simplistic rage and stupidity.
and that's you in a nutshell.

Why?

You just go grab some article that misses the whole point and think you're entitled to your stupid rage.

The story broke completely in the US in 2001. That's when it became impossible for the church to continue its systematic denial and failure to addres the problem.

Great, they did some good stuff AFTER YEARS OF DENIAL, after years of re-victimizing those victims who had the courage to step forward and scaring off others, AFTER YEARS of continuing to put priest WHOM THEY KNEW HAD A SERIOUS PROBLEM in the company of children.

Spotlight is a decent film on how it broke in the US.

This was a sick, diseased organization, the CC. They did a horrible, lying, systematic disservice to Catholics, hell even the priests themelves who were abusers.

And none of this is a coincidence, given the toxic sexual metaphysics and practices in the CC.

I don't think you know much history. I don't think you know much about the Catholic Church. I doubt you know much about human nature and psychology.

But still you are so fucking sure of yourself with you tiny pieces of 'knowledge' that you're happy to rage away, over the internet.

You have the stupidity to ask me if I would give my life to God's work in that condescending way, when you don't even believe in God.

This organization you are defending throughout much of its history could have considered putting you to death for your lack of beliefs. And priests were sure as shit, compressed in their celibacy, abusing parishoners going way back. Hell, you should see what the Bad Popes got into.....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bad_Popes

And that's just the stuff that people managed to bring into the light.

We know this organization will happily use its incredible wealth and power to suppress information. It's only because of democracy, technological changes and growing awareness of PTSD for example, in abuse victims and other advances in psychology, that victims were taken seriously.

We've been as a species slowly undermining the ability of people in power to silence people. There are countertrends, but some of these long term abuses finally got into the light because people realized that even organizations that present themselves as moral and better and close to God can actually be something else. Just as soldiers have been catching on more and more that wars are not necessarily about protecting their countries or helping people.

I know you won't stop, just assuming that your rage and scattered snippets of reading justify whatever hopelessly silly posting you want to do.

But people who actually spend time forming opinions and look at a wide range of sources...they're going to think you're silly at best.

But yeah, you just nurture that self-righteous rage and your simple binary view of reality. The people in power love that shit. You might as well be on their payroll, but you do it for free.

[Harbal]

This is a common lie and slander by Anti-Catholics. And it's a failed argument for a few main reasons:

1) It's not true and never was true.

Over tremendous resistance it was demonstrated to be the case in many many places.

2) Even if it were true, Catholics condemn it, which means it is Unsanctioned.

Your quoting is a bit messed up, IWP; you've got me saying stuff that some other idiot actually said.

[Iwannaplato]

This is a common lie and slander by Anti-Catholics. And it's a failed argument for a few main reasons:

1) It's not true and never was true.

Over tremendous resistance it was demonstrated to be the case in many many places.

2) Even if it were true, Catholics condemn it, which means it is Unsanctioned.

Your quoting is a bit messed up, IWP; you've got me saying stuff that some other idiot actually said.

My apologies. I was slightly ruffled. I've now taken a bath and can try to fix my errors.

As far as the attribution, it's now fixed. I have many typos, but....I was ruffled, a state without care for spelling and grammar.

[Harbal]

Over tremendous resistance it was demonstrated to be the case in many many places.

Your quoting is a bit messed up, IWP; you've got me saying stuff that some other idiot actually said.

My apologies. I was slightly ruffled. I've now taken a bath and can try to fix my errors.

As far as the attribution, it's now fixed. I have many typos, but....I was ruffled, a state without care for spelling and grammar.

No problem.

[Harbal]

Wizard (and not in any way Harbal) wrote the following silliness.

This is a common lie and slander by Anti-Catholics. And it's a failed argument for a few main reasons:

1) It's not true and never was true.

[Wizard22]

2) Even if it were true, Catholics condemn it, which means it is Unsanctioned.

ACtually the church hid it in ways that can be documented and this lasted for decades that we now about. I think it would be naive to think it hasn't gone on for centuries. It was defacto santioned and priests who did this were often moved to new places where they had access to children. The church denied it, hid it, threatened media, pressured politicians and eventually it came out anyway.

The "Your pedophiles are worse than ours!" argument is lame. The Left and Right do it. Joseph Biden and Hunter Biden are obviously much worse than Trump and the Conservative-Right. There's lots of video tapes of Joe Biden molesting young girls' breasts (age 12-14). Trump does no such thing, although the Left will post photos of Ivanna Trump on his lap when she was about age 13. Apples and oranges, one side is obviously worse than the other.

And it's your side, which is far worse Iwan. Your side is the LGBTQMAP+, the dragtime story hours, the pedos inserting pornography in children's public school libraries. The two are incomparable.

The Conservative-Right, even if your baseless accusations were true, are still *AGAINST* sexual impropriety, while your side embraces it and adulates it, turns Shame into Pride. Proud of Sin. Inverting Morality, pretending that Immorality is now Good.

You're missing the other point, that the very nature of the celibacy of the priests leads to the problems. And the greater context of the CC's judgements of sex and distaste for it, which seeped in practices and communication for centuries, leads to all kinds of decadence perversion and abuse. And when these kind of judgments get finally rebelled against, other excesses are going to appear.

You don't understand the point of Celibacy. The point of the Catholic Tradition for Celibacy was to create a morally 'pure' caste of men, who could rule the Roman Empire. When politicians are corruptible, they are easy to manipulate by adversaries and competitors. Celibacy, and Baptism, are means of creating a 'pure' list of candidates (Arch-Bishops) who cannot be smeared or slandered by the public. Smeared like you are trying, and failing, to do.

The point is, a morally-purified Ruling Caste is needed, otherwise the public will not Trust them in the long run. And it's about the long run. In the West, we see how Anglo-Protestants are easily corruptible right now. US politics is moved by the Israel Lobby, who pays-off both sides, and owns the US Federal Reserve Bank printing-press; they can and do just print themselves more money, to pay Congress' politicians, bribed with imaginary fiat bills. So it's obvious how and why a Ruling Caste is needed, to prevent such corruption, otherwise your society eventually crumbles (as Western Civilization is crumbling and decaying right now) and dies.

The Catholics took over the Roman Empire, and European History for 2000 years, for precisely these reasons and causes.

Because any Moral Corruption, becomes magnified in political corruption. A class and caste of Moral Purity is critically important.

Men that you cannot accuse of such impropriety, because you can't. Because you don't have proof. You don't have evidence. And even if there were a few bad apples, you're missing the point entirely. Which you have, and you are.

4)

Catholicism's sexual morality revolves around virgin wife,

Actually that is no longer true. Non- virgins on both sides are welcome into the sanctity of marriage. And that's official church view now. When this happened I don't know and there isn't a single good reason to have such a policy for one sex and not the other.

I never pretended that Catholicism is "Perfect".

But it is still true, by tradition, that the Noble castes must follow the Old Tradition, the Conservative principles, since they are timeless. That's the difference between Nobility, Monarchs, the true Ruling Class, and the plebians. Plebians follow a different ruleset, which you openly defend and advocate. Your moral principles are Low, not High. Your standards are Low.

You should reflect on why and how that is.

marriage in the house of God, and the husband's duties.

So?

The type of lie of slandering Catholic priests, claiming that they're pedophiles when they're not.

Obviously not all of them, but in great numbers and the church itself systematically denied this, punished victims socially, used political and legal power to hide and silence people and media.

As they should, to those who would smear their true and genuine Piety.

You're insulting something that you don't even pretend to understand.

When they're the EXACT OPPOSITE, and God's Representatives on Earth. When they represent Purity, Piety, Sacrifice, Commitment, and many other claims to Virtue. Can YOU imagine devoting your life to God's Work?

Can you? You've had extramarital sex or claimed to in any case, so you can't even manage to follow the rules of non-priests members of the church. As far as myself, I don't believe in the Catholic idiotic view of God. That's not a version I'd work for: one who makes hell, makes people a certain way, then judges half or more of that as evil, who thinks crucifying his son/self and calling this a great loving act and guilt tripping people from birth and so on is someone to work for. So, my sense of what God's work is doesn't fit with this perverse, decadent deity.

First you should admit that the Moral principle, the Moral standard, is TOO HIGH, for yourself, for myself, for most people.

Once that's admitted, then we can do the rigamaroo about whether your or my personal life "fits the bill". You're setting the cart before the horse.

I don't think so. Very few people can, undertake such a task.

So, what? Very few people would hit themselves in the face with a hammer each day either.

Wizard quoted in his ignorance of sequence:

"GENEVA -- The Vatican revealed Tuesday that over the past decade, it has defrocked 848 priests who raped or molested children and sanctioned another 2,572 with lesser penalties, providing the first ever breakdown of how it handled the more than 3,400 cases of abuse reported to the Holy See since 2004.

The Vatican's U.N. ambassador in Geneva, Archbishop Silvano Tomasi, released the figures during a second day of grilling by a U.N. committee monitoring implementation of the U.N. treaty against torture."

OK moron. That's fucking it. I have no patience for the coupling of simplistic rage and stupidity.
and that's you in a nutshell.

Why?

You just go grab some article that misses the whole point and think you're entitled to your stupid rage.

The story broke completely in the US in 2001. That's when it became impossible for the church to continue its systematic denial and failure to addres the problem.

Great, they did some good stuff AFTER YEARS OF DENIAL, after years of re-victimizing those victims who had the courage to step forward and scaring off others, AFTER YEARS of continuing to put priest WHOM THEY KNEW HAD A SERIOUS PROBLEM in the company of children.

Spotlight is a decent film on how it broke in the US.

This was a sick, diseased organization, the CC. They did a horrible, lying, systematic disservice to Catholics, hell even the priests themelves who were abusers.

And none of this is a coincidence, given the toxic sexual metaphysics and practices in the CC.

I don't think you know much history. I don't think you know much about the Catholic Church. I doubt you know much about human nature and psychology.

But still you are so fucking sure of yourself with you tiny pieces of 'knowledge' that you're happy to rage away, over the internet.

You have the stupidity to ask me if I would give my life to God's work in that condescending way, when you don't even believe in God.

This organization you are defending throughout much of its history could have considered putting you to death for your lack of beliefs. And priests were sure as shit, compressed in their celibacy, abusing parishoners going way back. Hell, you should see what the Bad Popes got into.....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bad_Popes

And that's just the stuff that people managed to bring into the light.

We know this organization will happily use its incredible wealth and power to suppress information. It's only because of democracy, technological changes and growing awareness of PTSD for example, in abuse victims and other advances in psychology, that victims were taken seriously.

We've been as a species slowly undermining the ability of people in power to silence people. There are countertrends, but some of these long term abuses finally got into the light because people realized that even organizations that present themselves as moral and better and close to God can actually be something else. Just as soldiers have been catching on more and more that wars are not necessarily about protecting their countries or helping people.

I know you won't stop, just assuming that your rage and scattered snippets of reading justify whatever hopelessly silly posting you want to do.

But people who actually spend time forming opinions and look at a wide range of sources...they're going to think you're silly at best.

But yeah, you just nurture that self-righteous rage and your simple binary view of reality. The people in power love that shit. You might as well be on their payroll, but you do it for free.

Sadly, you, like most Europeans, don't know where your beliefs, your philosophies, your ideals, your traditions, your 'European-ness' comes from... it comes from the Græco-Roman, Hellenic Civilization, which dominated the Anglo pagans in the early 100s AD, which spread North (from the Spartans) and became the Viking tribes and Danish, eventually pushed East, which held Constantinople and blocked the Semitic-Jewish-Islamic invasions of Europe for thousands of years.

You don't know history; you're ignorant Iwan, and that's fine...up to a point. At least you are becoming aware, and that's the important part of Philosophy. Now you have a chance, to learn, where all these ideals, beliefs, morality, spirituality, principles, rules, came from, and come from.

[Trajk Logik]

A woman who has had zero sexual partners is NOT the same as a woman who has several, or a dozen, or a hundred sexual partners though.

Sure, they are different, but that doesn't mean that one is moral while the other isn't. What effect does some woman's sexual choices have on your life? None. Live and let live.

For you to claim that such women are "EQUAL", or that it doesn't matter how many sexual partners a woman has, just shows how wrong and deluded you are.

But wait, aren't they equal in the eyes of the "Lord" and aren't you suppose to forgive them being a "good Christian"? How can a God create the circumstances where we have the choice about who we sleep with and love but then condemn certain choices we make?

The Church's sanctity of marriage, by which sex is accessed, is the purest form of love making and sexual ecstasy. Because the virgin wife, devoted to her husband, sanctioned by God in the Church, the house of God, is purely procreative. It is NOT recreational.

Difference: Procreation, versus, Recreation.

One is for fun. One is for REAL. One is the REAL DEAL. The other is a FAKE.

Marriage has been around long before the Bible was written. It was primarily used to show a man's ownership over a woman. They were often used to strengthen family ties, or for the strategic, political purposes, of making peace with other families or houses, not about love. It is only recently that marriage has been about love which opened the door for same-sex marriage. The answer shouldn't involve whether we should allow same-sex marriage or not, it has to do with taking the government's power for defining marriage away. Why is the government involved with defining marriage in the first place? How I define marriage has no effect on how you define it. We are free to live our lives in this way without interference.

For millions of years sex has used for more than just procreation. It is used to strengthen social bonds and to relieve stress. I had a vasectomy and still have sex, not for procreation, but for pleasure with my wife without being concerned about making more offspring.

The US Political system does *NOT* and *NEVER HAS* served the American people.

I agree wholeheartedly here. Both parties are the problem. If the extremists on the left had their way, America would be a communist country. If the extremists on the right had their way America would be a theocracy. The best answers lie somewhere in the middle of the two extremes. When I argue against the left, they accuse me of being a right-winger. When I argue against the right, the call me a left-winger. It must suck to see the world in only red or blue, or black and white.

And BTW, the left is not liberal. They are authoritarian socialists in liberal skin. Libertarians are the true liberals. The left is not progressive either, as humans have been there and done that with authoritarian socialism. Progressivism is trying something new, like abolishing political parties.

We need to abolish political parties. No more Ds and Rs next to people's names on the ballot. Make people actually educate themselves on the candidates and think for themselves rather than let the Party think for them.