Re: How is the Karma enforced?
Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2024 1:02 am
Enforcement of karma is letting go of connecting the source of karmic energy and resource all intermediates Aware connections of how it’s done
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If you explain what the words 'Karma' and 'Buddhism' mean or refer to, to you, exactly, then I can, and then will show how 'Karma' is so-called 'enforced in Buddhism'.
Although there is, there does not necessarily have to be.
Here, once again, we can clearly seen just how Truly greedy and selfish the adult human being had become, back in those days when this was being written.Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Tue Jan 30, 2024 9:51 pmIt's better to think of it as, if you do X and have the attitude (hardness) that goes along with this you will attract, metaphorically as if you have an electric charge, something that will cause you to spark and lose that charge. There are theist Buddhists, but you don't need a deity to be a Buddhist (and sometimes, for some the Buddha can function as a kind of deity, but this isn't necessary in Buddhism either). You could think of Karma as a kind of nuanced gravity or magnetic field. It draws its own dissolution. I don't really like the Buddhist conception of Karma (nor the Hindu versions I've encountered) but that's my take on it. Theres no one meting out justice.
The winners write history and all that: so certain types and classes have justified their positions and abilities and universalized a model based on their own strengths (and weaknesses). Meditation doesn't cure all the avoidance of cognitive dissonance.
No, because 'karma' has never even been about individual human beings, although this is very contrary to popular belief, in, and back in, the days when this is and was being written.promethean75 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 2:30 pm It's another variation of the teleological thought-police like religion, and it falls apart when u examine it.
Consider this. If i steal Joe's wallet, am i accruing bad karma? Well wait a minute. Joe musta done somethin bad himself if he got his wallet stolen, right?
Yes.promethean75 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 2:30 pm He's got bad karma, so his wallet gets stolen. So me stealing his wallet is actually an act of enforcing the karmic balance then? See whuddum sayin?
But, 'karma' was and is never about 'you', "joe", nor any other individual human being.promethean75 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 2:30 pm It duddint make any sense. How can the great karma-keepers indict me for doing something bad when what i did (steal Joe's wallet) was an act of karmic justice against joe?
When you say 'person' are you referring to an individual human being, or to something else here?bahman wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 4:10 pmI think that if Karma is true then there must be at least a person in charge of it.Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Tue Jan 30, 2024 9:51 pmIt's better to think of it as, if you do X and have the attitude (hardness) that goes along with this you will attract, metaphorically as if you have an electric charge, something that will cause you to spark and lose that charge. There are theist Buddhists, but you don't need a deity to be a Buddhist (and sometimes, for some the Buddha can function as a kind of deity, but this isn't necessary in Buddhism either). You could think of Karma as a kind of nuanced gravity or magnetic field. It draws its own dissolution. I don't really like the Buddhist conception of Karma (nor the Hindu versions I've encountered) but that's my take on it. Theres no one meting out justice.
And, whatever you adult human beings were doing was also certainly not curing any nor all of your avoidance of cognitive dissonance. In fact a lot of what you were doing was increasing your 'cognitive dissonances'.bahman wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 4:10 pmI agree.Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Tue Jan 30, 2024 9:51 pm The winners write history and all that: so certain types and classes have justified their positions and abilities and universalized a model based on their own strengths (and weaknesses). Meditation doesn't cure all the avoidance of cognitive dissonance.
Notice how "iwannaplato" continually claims to have 'me' on 'ignore', but still ends up reading my posts. And, in other threads pretends that it does not.Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2024 6:41 am Notice that Age insults not just me, but people in general, based on a confused reading of what I was writing.
Thus, exactly why I spoke of and wrote about you adult human beings, in general, in the days when this is being written.Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2024 6:41 am I was presenting a model that is common but that actually is not mine, in the context where someone was asking about certain official models of Karma. If Age has a problem those models, fine. So do I.
Is this what, really, saw and believe is true here "iwannaplato", then please inform the readers here what you believe are my claimed 'set of assumptions' are, exactly.Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2024 6:41 am But yet another set of assumptions were made about me and people in general.
Well if you make assumptions, exactly like you have done here, once again, and which if you will not even endeavor to back up and support, then, of course, I will make judgments based on these facts.Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2024 6:41 am If others make assumptions, Age then throws judgments of them at them.
How about instead of just accusing me of making assumptions, you actually present what you assume or believe are 'assumptions', then, once more, then, and only then, we will now have some actually 'thing' to look at, see, and discuss, that is; if you do not keep 'ignoring', as you claim you, supposedly, do. But, obviously, you do choose to 'ignore', me when you want to.Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2024 6:41 am When he does, it never seems to indicate that he makes assumptions or beliefs, even though he clearly makes assumptions.
I thought this was absolutely obvious from just about the outset of when I came to this forum. Oh, let us not forget that I have already explained to "iwannaplato", on numerous occasions, that making judgments under some situations is perfectly normal, acceptable, and even very healthy and warranted.Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2024 6:41 am Some people think that a few of us are being impolite with Age. Well, notice how fast Age jumps to judgments about posters here and people in general.
See, what I do in any 'light' or 'way' you want "iwannaplato". you have already clarified that your views and thus ways of looking at things can be False, Wrong, Inaccurate, and/or Incorrect.Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2024 6:41 am This is not an occasional event, Age does this with great regularlity. IOW he regularly gaslights.
I have never ever said that I have not.Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2024 6:41 am Age, if you can manage to own up to your making assumptions,
Once again, all of these things remain in your imagination and/or beliefs only "iwannaplato". That is; of course, if you ever get up encourage to link 'us' to where this has, supposedly, happened and occurred so that we can look at and see what the actual words were that I used, and in the actual context that were said and written in. Then, and only then, if you stopped, supposedly, 'ignoring' me and started working collaboratively here, then you might even learn a thing or to about what I was actually 'meaning' when I said and wrote what I did there.Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2024 6:41 am having a double standard, having beliefs, contradicting yourself, etc.,
Once again, I am waiting for you to put forth what you assume and believe is true here. Until then I like that you are, supposedly, 'ignoring' me.Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2024 6:41 am feel free to send me a PM and I'd be open to engaging in a conversation.
Are you trying to imply absolutely anything here?
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How is it measured. By whom or by what?
By GODSculptor wrote: ↑Sat Mar 02, 2024 6:53 pmHow is it measured. By whom or by what?