attofishpi wrote: ↑Fri Jan 26, 2024 10:32 am
Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Fri Jan 26, 2024 6:17 am
attofishpi wrote: ↑Thu Jan 25, 2024 10:09 am
I am talking about
actual chaos. A place where there is NO causality because there is NO logic.
It's not my invention idiot. The point is, that it
is meaningless.......a place of no meaning nothing we can WITH logic comprehend.
Comprehend?
Comprehend?
Comprehend what? since you claim it cannot be comprehended rationally with logic? at least scientific logic by induction?
You are the idiot who is introducing idiotic things.
If you exercise some intelligence you would not insist on the above.
idiot: a foolish or stupid person
2 dated, now offensive; see usage paragraph below : a person affected with extreme intellectual disability
Why you are so desperate to
reify something incomprehensible is due to an inherent psychological weakness.
The main point being that I am stating God formed from chaos and formed us. You are stating infinite regress excludes God. Yet, you exist - thus we can all be certain of the very fact that conscious minds exist.....all I am stating is that an intelligence arose prior to our minds arising from it.
In other words, infinte regress remains the same philosophical paradox with or without a God that formed FROM the initial universe.
Comprehend?
You claimed,
'actual
chaos-X' created God who created humans.
then what created '
chaos-X'?
You stated,
I am talking about actual chaos. A place where there is NO causality because there is NO logic.
The point is, that it is meaningless.......a place of no meaning nothing we can WITH logic comprehend.
actual = existing in fact; real.
Actual chaos means existing in fact and is real.
Logic is merely a tool used by humans to understand what is
actual , existing in fact; real by either deduction, induction, abduction.
If your chaos cannot be understood via logic, then your 'actual chaos' is an oxymoron.
To ensure, your claim you should at least use the logic of induction to verify and justify your claim is existing in fact, actual and real, i.e. rely on inductive science.
I am 'certain' me and my conscious mind exists.
First I rely on a first-person experience which is very unrealiable.
Then I rely on logic, i.e. inductive science to verify and justify other humans with a mind actually exist.
Since Science is the most credible and objective, that is the furthest I can claim I and other humans are existing as real.
It is illusory to claim [by soteriological theists] there is a real permanent 'me' as an eternal soul that will survive physical death.
That is why you are claiming, there is something eternal i.e. actual chaos beyond the existing world, which is unverifiable by the tool of logic [either deductive, inductive nor abductive].
Why you are so desperate to reify something incomprehensible is due to an inherent psychological weakness.
This is what Hume asserted, humans claim there is a 'real' cause to an effect as driven by psychological drives and impulses, when there are no causes.