Wizard22 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 13, 2024 12:48 pm
Age wrote: ↑Fri Jan 12, 2024 1:27 pmyou 'disagree' about 'what' here, exactly?
1. Belief is a completely unnecessary part of Life, and living.
2. The actual importance of belief, when belief is used Right, and/or Correctly?
3. That what can be created and achieved from belief is yet to be fully expressed, explained, and understood, fully?
4. Or something else?
All of the above.
1. So, how can frogs, new born babies, and trees have life, or be living, when they obviously do not have beliefs?
Or, do you believe that these things have beliefs?
2. Why do you disagree that there is an actual 'importance' of belief, especially when you believe that belief is a complete necessity part of Life, and living?
This seems very contradictory and hypocritical, well to me anyway.
3. Why do you disagree that what can be created and achieved from belief has not yet been fully expressed, explained, and understood, fully?
Do you already think or believe that you have already had all of what can be created and achieved, from belief, into the future already fully expressed and explained to, and which you have already fully understood?
Beliefs are necessary because beliefs are about Probability of truth and reality. [/quote]
4. What are the other thing/s, which you disagree with here?
Wizard22 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 13, 2024 12:48 pm
Humans have strong beliefs and weak beliefs.
Obviously some of you do. And, just as obvious is the Fact that not all of you do.
Wizard22 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 13, 2024 12:48 pm
If I ask a stranger for car directions, that person can give bad information or good information. It is my responsibility to either belief or disbelieve the strange, trust or distrust.
But, once again, there is absolutely no necessity at all to either believe or disbelieve any thing at all there?
Are you able to answer and clarify why you believe, absolutely, that you only have a choice to either believe or disbelieve things, in Life?
If yes, then will you?
But, if no, then why not?
Also, if you have to ask another for directions, then this would usually mean that you do not yet know how to get where you want to go. So, what would you be basing 'the information' and your following chosen belief or disbelief on here, exactly?
Wizard22 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 13, 2024 12:48 pm
That is why belief is critically important and necessary in daily life.
Why, exactly, is 'it' here, which you are now saying and claiming is the reason why belief, supposedly, is a critically important and necessary thing in so-called 'daily life'?
Wizard22 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 13, 2024 12:48 pm
Beliefs change rapidly, everyday, every hour, every second.
Which is another perfectly good and logical reason why to choose not to have nor maintain absolutely any and all of those beliefs, ever and at all.
Wizard22 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 13, 2024 12:48 pm
Some beliefs are strong and more resistant to change.
Obviously, only if you have chosen to make them that way.
Wizard22 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 13, 2024 12:48 pm
Others are weak and easily forgotten or disregarded.
So, there was essentially no real sound nor valid reason to chose to have those beliefs in the beginning neither.
Wizard22 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 13, 2024 12:48 pm
Age wrote: ↑Fri Jan 12, 2024 1:27 pmIf you believe so, then this must be true, right?
Also, what is 'it', exactly, which makes you, supposedly, be able to do what no other human being can do?
And, how, exactly, have you, since conception, and/or birth, been able to prevent and stop "yourself" reacting emotionally, and with absolutely any bias at all, initially, upon receipt of absolutely any statement, or when perceiving absolute any and all information, in Life?
I've been trained, and train myself, to suppress emotional reaction to new information.
So, were you doing 'this' when you were in the womb, so that when you 'popped out' you already had 'this ability'?
Or, were you trained, and training "yourself", before 'the womb' stage?
Also, who or what else was training you to suppress emotional reaction to new information?
Wizard22 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 13, 2024 12:48 pm
Others can do it too, but probably not as well as I can.
And, what are you basing this claim of yours here on, exactly?
Wizard22 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 13, 2024 12:48 pm
It is necessary when it comes to Philosophy. Emotions should be as controlled as humanly possible. That doesn't mean that I do not have biases. Everybody does. And no amount of suppression is absolute or perfect.
1. Is it you that claims that I do not have or do not show 'emotions' here, like a human being should?
2. If one is neither believing nor disbelieving some thing as being either true or false, then what would that one be have a bias in regards to or about, exactly?
Wizard22 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 13, 2024 12:48 pm
It depends on my, or your, or anybody's ability.
So, this one here believes that it was trained, and trained 'itself', to not have absolutely any emotional reaction to absolutely any new information that comes 'its way', which obviously includes any information about the injury or death of parents, siblings, or even children, but also finds it an absolutely impossibility to just neither believe or disbelieve any and all new information at all.
Wizard22 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 13, 2024 12:48 pm
Age wrote: ↑Fri Jan 12, 2024 1:27 pmBut what about when your father gives you the information that your mother has just died, for example?
Would you, or did, you also think about that statement, with the thoughts, 'Is it true or false?' 'Is it real or unreal?' 'I do not 'know' anything yet.' 'I do not 'believe' anything yet,' as well?
He could be wrong, misinformed, or lied to. No human is perfect.
I know. But why did you not just answer and clarify the actual question I posed, and asked you?
Also, why do you say and claim above here that, 'belief is critically important and necessary in daily life', but yet when you hear new information, like for example, 'Your mother has just died', you can, supposedly, control and not have absolutely any emotional reaction at all, and that you, supposedly, will also say, 'I don't believe anything yet', but also claim that you have to believe or disbelieve the truth of that statement?
How long can you remain in this, supposed, truly unemotional reaction and unbiased state and position before you have to, by necessity, either believe it or disbelieve it?
Wizard22 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 13, 2024 12:48 pm
Age wrote: ↑Fri Jan 12, 2024 1:27 pmBut only if you believe this.
To me, this never happens because I have chosen to not start believing, nor to disbelieve, that 'belief', and/or capital 'b' 'Belief' is necessary.
Then I think you're either 1. not human, or 2. lying about your beliefs and attempting to conceal them publicly.
Okay.
Wizard22 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 13, 2024 12:48 pm
I'm leaning toward #1 given your inability to detect humor.
Okay.
But, is humor, to you, not subjective, and thus not relative to the observer here?
Wizard22 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 13, 2024 12:48 pm
Age wrote: ↑Fri Jan 12, 2024 1:27 pmIt 'this' how it goes for you?
If yes, then how things go for you is the exact same way they go for absolutely everyone else?
Possibly.
But not necessarily so, right?
Wizard22 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 13, 2024 12:48 pm
Age wrote: ↑Fri Jan 12, 2024 1:27 pmAgain, if you have chosen to believe that this is true, then, to you, this must be absolutely true, right, and correct, correct?
No, why do you insist if something is true, that it must be "absolutely" true?
1. Is asking a question, for clarity, insisting some thing?
If yes, then how, and why, exactly?
2. To me, if some one is believing some thing is true, then to me that thing would or must be true, well to them anyway, because for what other logical reason could and would a human being believe something to be true, if that thing was not absolutely true to them?
3. Why would any logical and reasonabe thinking human being believe something to be true, if there was any chance at all that it was not true in some way?
I await your answer, and clarity, here.
Also, do not forget that I have mentioned previously about country/cultural influences on you people here. For example, people might just say, for example, 'I believe [such or such] is true, when all along they do not actually believe 'this' at all, but have just copied and are following what other people say and do, in that country/culture, and have just ended doing this so much that doing it has just become such a habit to and/or for them.
In other words, I am Truly trying to discover from you people who believe things to be true, why you, individually, do believe things to be true, when they well may not be at all.
If absolutely any one can explain why they do this, then this would help out considerably in revealing and exposing, and explaining, the deeper and underlying fundamental reason why people believe things to be true.
Wizard22 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 13, 2024 12:48 pm
Age wrote: ↑Fri Jan 12, 2024 1:27 pmI have just chosen to believe, or have belief in, one thing, only.
Also, 'belief' and/or 'knowledge' are not things that I 'own'.
There is obviously what is referred to and called 'knowledge', existing, and if there is 'belief' existing or not, then that is a choice one makes.
By the way, why do you use a capital 'b' and a capital 'k' here?
I capitalize concepts as a means to generalize them toward universality and absolution, to apply them to every case.
Okay, thank you for clarifying here.
This is more or less why I do the same here. That is; if any one were interested.
Wizard22 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 13, 2024 12:48 pm
And I don't know how it's possible to "choose not to believe in beliefs of every kind". So you need to explain that.
1. To me, I do not even know what you mean nor what you could even be referring to here with the words, 'beliefs of every kind'.
2. I have not chosen not to believe in beliefs of every kind.
3. I have just chosen neither to believe, nor to disbelieve, in any thing, other than what I have already obviously.
4. Does some sort of presumption or belief exist within you that I somehow 'have to' believe more things?
If yes, then why do you think that presumption or belief persists?