It does not matter even if that is true. Have you ever seen a person who lost all his family members and properties to a flood? Can such a person feel good?
The problem of evil
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BUT those so-called 'natural evils', which are said to be caused by God are NOT 'evils' AT ALL.
And, if ABSOLUTELY ANY one SAYS or STATES that 'they' ARE, then 'they' CERTAINLY DO NOT KNOW what the 'evil' word MEANS NOR REFERS TO, which FITS IN PERFECTLY with OTHER WORDS, and 'their' DEFINED MEANINGS.
ONCE AGAIN what 'we' HAVE here is ANOTHER PRIME example of HOW ASSUMING some 'thing', which could be (and ACTUALLY IS ABSOLUTELY) False and/or Wrong WAS PREVENTING and/or BLOCKING 'them' FROM LEARNING and SEEING, and UNDERSTANDING, what the ACTUAL Truth IS, EXACTLY.
BUT there IS NO ACTUAL 'problem' AT ALL here, FOR TWO REASONS.
1. The WORKING definition for the word 'problem' does NOT FIT IN here.
2. Even IF a WORKING definition for the 'problem' word DID FIT IN here, there is NO ACTUAL so-called 'problem of evil' in 'the way' that that term is being REFERRED TO here.
BUT God, by the WORKING definition, could NOT be evil, as 'this' WOULD BE 'self-contradictory' and/or just 'self-refuting'.
BUT ONLY IF God could be evil. Which, OBVIOUSLY, God, Itself IS NOT, AND could NOT.
BUT there WAS NO 'problem', from the outset, and there NEVER IS A 'problem' here.
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Where do you take the fact that God is good?Age wrote: ↑Fri Dec 22, 2023 12:43 pmBUT those so-called 'natural evils', which are said to be caused by God are NOT 'evils' AT ALL.
And, if ABSOLUTELY ANY one SAYS or STATES that 'they' ARE, then 'they' CERTAINLY DO NOT KNOW what the 'evil' word MEANS NOR REFERS TO, which FITS IN PERFECTLY with OTHER WORDS, and 'their' DEFINED MEANINGS.ONCE AGAIN what 'we' HAVE here is ANOTHER PRIME example of HOW ASSUMING some 'thing', which could be (and ACTUALLY IS ABSOLUTELY) False and/or Wrong WAS PREVENTING and/or BLOCKING 'them' FROM LEARNING and SEEING, and UNDERSTANDING, what the ACTUAL Truth IS, EXACTLY.
BUT there IS NO ACTUAL 'problem' AT ALL here, FOR TWO REASONS.
1. The WORKING definition for the word 'problem' does NOT FIT IN here.
2. Even IF a WORKING definition for the 'problem' word DID FIT IN here, there is NO ACTUAL so-called 'problem of evil' in 'the way' that that term is being REFERRED TO here.BUT God, by the WORKING definition, could NOT be evil, as 'this' WOULD BE 'self-contradictory' and/or just 'self-refuting'.BUT ONLY IF God could be evil. Which, OBVIOUSLY, God, Itself IS NOT, AND could NOT.BUT there WAS NO 'problem', from the outset, and there NEVER IS A 'problem' here.
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- Everything that exists has a purpose.
- Evil exists, therefore evil has a purpose.
- What is the purpose of evil?
- Tracing the purpose of any human activity back to its source, with the tools of how and why, eventually leads to the Principle of Survival. Paleo-man.
- The purpose of evil is to keep folks on their toes, to survive the predators.
- The purpose of evil is to keep open the door to The Big What If that activates strategy.
- The method of using the strategy was for the caveman to say to himself, "Ug, what if bad happens? What if worst bad happens? What if Ug don’t do this or that?" Such questions obviously enhance survival quality and duration, and also indicate a dawning sense of self-consciousness.
- Living so close to death honed Ug’s natural capacity to practice, What If.
- Since Ug’s salad days, What If has spurred humanity’s progress, although that evil's purpose in this progress even exists has been forgotten in comforts fashioned in increments.
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I think I agree with you that evil could be right in given circumstances.Walker wrote: ↑Fri Dec 22, 2023 1:06 pm- Everything that exists has a purpose.
- Evil exists, therefore evil has a purpose.
- What is the purpose of evil?
- Tracing the purpose of any human activity back to its source, with the tools of how and why, eventually leads to the Principle of Survival. Paleo-man.
- The purpose of evil is to keep folks on their toes, to survive the predators.
- The purpose of evil is to keep open the door to The Big What If that activates strategy.
- The method of using the strategy was for the caveman to say to himself, "Ug, what if bad happens? What if worst bad happens? What if Ug don’t do this or that?" Such questions obviously enhance survival quality and duration, and also indicate a dawning sense of self-consciousness.
- Living so close to death honed Ug’s natural capacity to practice, What If.
- Since Ug’s salad days, What If has spurred humanity’s progress, although that evil's purpose in this progress even exists has been forgotten in comforts fashioned in increments.
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There IS NO so-called 'human mind'.
There IS, however, A 'human brain', which could only make 'sense' of 'things' by and/or through a PERCEIVED 'separation', which included 'comparing' or 'comparisons'.
What does the 'evil' word MEAN or REFER TO, TO 'you', EXACTLY?
But what IS called or REFERRED TO AS 'evil' could COMPLETELY DISAPPEAR, and 'good' ONLY could CONTINUE, and 'this' IS BECAUSE OF 'memory', itself. So, although 'evil' DISAPPEARED, the 'other' WILL NOT, necessarily, also DISAPPEAR.
REALLY?
What could be WORSE than having ALL of one's 'loved ones' KILLED or MURDERED?
REALLY?
What could be BETTER than ALL living in a Truly Peaceful AND Harmonious world TOGETHER, as One?
Do 'things', which happen in 'the visible, physical, and/or material world', ALWAYS ALIGN WITH and/or RESEMBLE 'things' in 'the non visible, non physical, and/or non material world', EXACTLY?
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Yes they can.
But even if not that does not verify the existence of evil in any meaningful sense.
People say it's "unfortuneate", but there is not force in the universe; FORTUNE either.
Good, evil, and Fortuna are just ancient mythical ideas.
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But what are Truly Wrong behaviors can NEVER be, logically, called 'good', but some can be called 'bad' behaviors, instead. And, conversely, what are Truly Right behaviors can NEVER be, logically, called 'wrong' NOR 'bad' behaviors.iambiguous wrote: ↑Wed Dec 20, 2023 12:44 am The problem of evil that most plagues us [still] is this...that behaviors some call evil others call good. Then what?
Here 'we' can CLEARLY SEE ANOTHER example of WHY 'adult human beings', in the days when this was being written, and thus at 'that stage' IN evolution, were SO SLOW TO PROCEED and MOVE FORWARD.iambiguous wrote: ↑Wed Dec 20, 2023 12:44 am Also, different folks living different lives actually confronting how their own understanding of evil is rooted existentially/subjectively in dasein. And, I suggest, given the psychology of objectivism, don't hold your breath expecting that to change.
BUT, ACTUALLY, some of 'us' HAVE, ALREADY.iambiguous wrote: ↑Wed Dec 20, 2023 12:44 am Centuries pass and neither scientists nor philosophers nor theologians have been able to link us deontologically to objective morality.
Like 'what', EXACTLY?
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Do 'you' even KNOW what the 'Heaven' even MEANS, or REFERS TO, EXACTLY?bahman wrote: ↑Wed Dec 20, 2023 10:57 amDoes evil exist in Heaven?nemos wrote: ↑Tue Dec 19, 2023 9:28 pm The human mind works only with comparisons (I will be happy if you can refute). White is white only on a black background, good can only be good as long as evil exists and is recognizable only on the background of evil.
Therefore, these concepts will always go hand in hand as long as they exist, because if one disappears, the other will also disappear. No matter how bad something is, there can always be something worse, against which the first evil can look quite good. No matter how good something is, there can always be something better against which the first one may not look so good.
Just like the poles of a magnet, no matter how many parts you divide them into, each part will still have both poles.
If yes, then PLEASE PROCEED in INFORMING 'us' here.
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Good and evil are ideas that explain the quality of a situation, action, etc. They are not things.Sculptor wrote: ↑Fri Dec 22, 2023 1:28 pmYes they can.
But even if not that does not verify the existence of evil in any meaningful sense.
People say it's "unfortuneate", but there is not force in the universe; FORTUNE either.
Good, evil, and Fortuna are just ancient mythical ideas.
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Will 'you' PROVIDE A DEMONSTRATION or AN EXAMPLE here "bahman"?bahman wrote: ↑Wed Dec 20, 2023 11:31 amWe can distinguish between evil and good behavior.iambiguous wrote: ↑Wed Dec 20, 2023 12:44 am The problem of evil that most plagues us [still] is this...that behaviors some call evil others call good. Then what?
If no, then WHY NOT?
bahman wrote: ↑Wed Dec 20, 2023 11:31 amWhy it is so?iambiguous wrote: ↑Wed Dec 20, 2023 12:44 am Also, different folks living different lives actually confronting how their own understanding of evil is rooted existentially/subjectively in dasein.
What do you mean?iambiguous wrote: ↑Wed Dec 20, 2023 12:44 am And, I suggest, given the psychology of objectivism, don't hold your breath expecting that to change.
I am not talking about objective morality.iambiguous wrote: ↑Wed Dec 20, 2023 12:44 am Centuries pass and neither scientists nor philosophers nor theologians have been able to link us deontologically to objective morality.
What?
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And, 'this' here could ONLY be MORE Factual, True, Right, Accurate, and Correct by just adding the word 'adult' BEFORE, and the two letters of 'h' and 'u' TO and IN FRONT OF the, 'man' word here.
BUT SOME DO SEE 'this' AS 'evil', VERY Wrongly, I will add here. For example, some SEE an earthquake, a meteor strike, a tidal wave, and/or a volcanic eruption as 'evil'.