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Time cannot began to exist

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Let's assume that time began to exist. This means that time didn't exist "before" the point that it exists. This is however incoherent because of "before" unless we accept another time exists. Accepting another time exists however leads to regress. Therefore, time has existed since its beginning and it didn't begin to exist.
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bahman wrote: Fri Dec 15, 2023 1:16 pm Let's assume that time began to exist. This means that time didn't exist "before" the point that it exists. This is however incoherent because of "before" unless we accept another time exists. Accepting another time exists however leads to regress. Therefore, time has existed since its beginning and it didn't begin to exist.
The beginning is the point at which something begins, but if that thing does not begin, there was no beginning.
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Harbal wrote: Fri Dec 15, 2023 1:37 pm
bahman wrote: Fri Dec 15, 2023 1:16 pm Let's assume that time began to exist. This means that time didn't exist "before" the point that it exists. This is however incoherent because of "before" unless we accept another time exists. Accepting another time exists however leads to regress. Therefore, time has existed since its beginning and it didn't begin to exist.
The beginning is the point at which something begins, but if that thing does not begin, there was no beginning.
I said began to exist.
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bahman wrote: Fri Dec 15, 2023 1:16 pm Let's assume that time began to exist. This means that time didn't exist "before" the point that it exists. This is however incoherent because of "before" unless we accept another time exists. Accepting another time exists however leads to regress. Therefore, time has existed since its beginning and it didn't begin to exist.
Timelessness is time. The contrast must appear in this conception as an oxymoron /contradiction / paradoxical phenomena within knowledge, which can only point to the illusory nature of reality. Insofar as knowledge is the only knowing there is, which is this immediate unknowing known.
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Dontaskme wrote: Fri Dec 15, 2023 2:06 pm
bahman wrote: Fri Dec 15, 2023 1:16 pm Let's assume that time began to exist. This means that time didn't exist "before" the point that it exists. This is however incoherent because of "before" unless we accept another time exists. Accepting another time exists however leads to regress. Therefore, time has existed since its beginning and it didn't begin to exist.
Timelessness is time.
What do you mean?
Dontaskme wrote: Fri Dec 15, 2023 2:06 pm The contrast must appear in this conception as an oxymoron /contradiction / paradoxical phenomena within knowledge, which can only point to the illusory nature of reality. Insofar as knowledge is the only knowing there is, which is this immediate unknowing known.
What do you mean by unknowing known?
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bahman wrote: Fri Dec 15, 2023 2:13 pm
Dontaskme wrote: Fri Dec 15, 2023 2:06 pm
bahman wrote: Fri Dec 15, 2023 1:16 pm Let's assume that time began to exist. This means that time didn't exist "before" the point that it exists. This is however incoherent because of "before" unless we accept another time exists. Accepting another time exists however leads to regress. Therefore, time has existed since its beginning and it didn't begin to exist.
Timelessness is time.
What do you mean?
Dontaskme wrote: Fri Dec 15, 2023 2:06 pm The contrast must appear in this conception as an oxymoron /contradiction / paradoxical phenomena within knowledge, which can only point to the illusory nature of reality. Insofar as knowledge is the only knowing there is, which is this immediate unknowing known.
What do you mean by unknowing known?
I mean knowledge, which implies a knower.

Who knows and needs meaning?
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bahman wrote: Fri Dec 15, 2023 1:16 pm Let's assume that time began to exist. This means that time didn't exist "before" the point that it exists. This is however incoherent because of "before" unless we accept another time exists. Accepting another time exists however leads to regress. Therefore, time has existed since its beginning and it didn't begin to exist.
Time is only known NOW
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Dontaskme wrote: Fri Dec 15, 2023 2:21 pm
bahman wrote: Fri Dec 15, 2023 2:13 pm
Dontaskme wrote: Fri Dec 15, 2023 2:06 pm

Timelessness is time.
What do you mean?
Dontaskme wrote: Fri Dec 15, 2023 2:06 pm The contrast must appear in this conception as an oxymoron /contradiction / paradoxical phenomena within knowledge, which can only point to the illusory nature of reality. Insofar as knowledge is the only knowing there is, which is this immediate unknowing known.
What do you mean by unknowing known?
I mean knowledge, which implies a knower.
Yes, knowledge implies a knower.
Dontaskme wrote: Fri Dec 15, 2023 2:06 pm Who knows and needs meaning?
Meaning!?
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bahman wrote: Fri Dec 15, 2023 2:24 pm
Meaning!?
Meaning is meaningless.
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Dontaskme wrote: Fri Dec 15, 2023 2:26 pm
bahman wrote: Fri Dec 15, 2023 2:24 pm
Meaning!?
Meaning is meaningless.
Now you are not making any sense.
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bahman wrote: Fri Dec 15, 2023 1:49 pm
Harbal wrote: Fri Dec 15, 2023 1:37 pm
bahman wrote: Fri Dec 15, 2023 1:16 pm Let's assume that time began to exist. This means that time didn't exist "before" the point that it exists. This is however incoherent because of "before" unless we accept another time exists. Accepting another time exists however leads to regress. Therefore, time has existed since its beginning and it didn't begin to exist.
The beginning is the point at which something begins, but if that thing does not begin, there was no beginning.
I said began to exist.
No, you said, " it didn't begin to exist".
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Harbal wrote: Fri Dec 15, 2023 2:32 pm
bahman wrote: Fri Dec 15, 2023 1:49 pm
Harbal wrote: Fri Dec 15, 2023 1:37 pm

The beginning is the point at which something begins, but if that thing does not begin, there was no beginning.
I said began to exist.
No, you said, " it didn't begin to exist".
Sorry, I miss "didn't".
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bahman wrote: Fri Dec 15, 2023 2:32 pm
Dontaskme wrote: Fri Dec 15, 2023 2:26 pm
bahman wrote: Fri Dec 15, 2023 2:24 pm
Meaning!?
Meaning is meaningless.
Now you are not making any sense.
Don't make sense. There isn't any. Nonsense is sense.

Have you never heard of contrasts?
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If time is nothing more than a characteristic of matter, and therefore cannot be viewed separately, then time exists as long as matter exists. Moreover, it is not excluded that only in its current form, but before the singularity or in a super-dense state before the "big bang", time could not exist.
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bahman wrote: Fri Dec 15, 2023 2:32 pm
Now you are not making any sense.
Contrast is white chalk superimposed upon a black board manifesting as a contrast. Or, contrast is black chalk superimposed upon a white board. Nothing in reality would ever be known to show-up without this contrast. Without contrast, there would be either pure blackness or just pure blank light. The contrast must be inseparable to make sense. The mind separates what is inseparable, but needs to do this to make sense of reality. Otherwise there would be nothing showing up on the screen, which is just another word for MIND or CONSCIOUSNESS.

In other words, contrast cannot be separated, they are conjoined twins, they are one and the same reality, inseparably one infinitely for eternity.
Meaning, they cannot have began, nor can they end.

Now while many colours do appear on this pure blank canvas of mind/consciousness, there is only one seer/reader of all these colours, and that seer/reader is without colour. This contrast is how meaning is known, and how sense is made of the senseless.
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