Time cannot began to exist
Time cannot began to exist
Let's assume that time began to exist. This means that time didn't exist "before" the point that it exists. This is however incoherent because of "before" unless we accept another time exists. Accepting another time exists however leads to regress. Therefore, time has existed since its beginning and it didn't begin to exist.
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The beginning is the point at which something begins, but if that thing does not begin, there was no beginning.bahman wrote: ↑Fri Dec 15, 2023 1:16 pm Let's assume that time began to exist. This means that time didn't exist "before" the point that it exists. This is however incoherent because of "before" unless we accept another time exists. Accepting another time exists however leads to regress. Therefore, time has existed since its beginning and it didn't begin to exist.
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I said began to exist.Harbal wrote: ↑Fri Dec 15, 2023 1:37 pmThe beginning is the point at which something begins, but if that thing does not begin, there was no beginning.bahman wrote: ↑Fri Dec 15, 2023 1:16 pm Let's assume that time began to exist. This means that time didn't exist "before" the point that it exists. This is however incoherent because of "before" unless we accept another time exists. Accepting another time exists however leads to regress. Therefore, time has existed since its beginning and it didn't begin to exist.
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Timelessness is time. The contrast must appear in this conception as an oxymoron /contradiction / paradoxical phenomena within knowledge, which can only point to the illusory nature of reality. Insofar as knowledge is the only knowing there is, which is this immediate unknowing known.bahman wrote: ↑Fri Dec 15, 2023 1:16 pm Let's assume that time began to exist. This means that time didn't exist "before" the point that it exists. This is however incoherent because of "before" unless we accept another time exists. Accepting another time exists however leads to regress. Therefore, time has existed since its beginning and it didn't begin to exist.
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What do you mean?Dontaskme wrote: ↑Fri Dec 15, 2023 2:06 pmTimelessness is time.bahman wrote: ↑Fri Dec 15, 2023 1:16 pm Let's assume that time began to exist. This means that time didn't exist "before" the point that it exists. This is however incoherent because of "before" unless we accept another time exists. Accepting another time exists however leads to regress. Therefore, time has existed since its beginning and it didn't begin to exist.
What do you mean by unknowing known?Dontaskme wrote: ↑Fri Dec 15, 2023 2:06 pm The contrast must appear in this conception as an oxymoron /contradiction / paradoxical phenomena within knowledge, which can only point to the illusory nature of reality. Insofar as knowledge is the only knowing there is, which is this immediate unknowing known.
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I mean knowledge, which implies a knower.bahman wrote: ↑Fri Dec 15, 2023 2:13 pmWhat do you mean?Dontaskme wrote: ↑Fri Dec 15, 2023 2:06 pmTimelessness is time.bahman wrote: ↑Fri Dec 15, 2023 1:16 pm Let's assume that time began to exist. This means that time didn't exist "before" the point that it exists. This is however incoherent because of "before" unless we accept another time exists. Accepting another time exists however leads to regress. Therefore, time has existed since its beginning and it didn't begin to exist.
What do you mean by unknowing known?Dontaskme wrote: ↑Fri Dec 15, 2023 2:06 pm The contrast must appear in this conception as an oxymoron /contradiction / paradoxical phenomena within knowledge, which can only point to the illusory nature of reality. Insofar as knowledge is the only knowing there is, which is this immediate unknowing known.
Who knows and needs meaning?
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Time is only known NOWbahman wrote: ↑Fri Dec 15, 2023 1:16 pm Let's assume that time began to exist. This means that time didn't exist "before" the point that it exists. This is however incoherent because of "before" unless we accept another time exists. Accepting another time exists however leads to regress. Therefore, time has existed since its beginning and it didn't begin to exist.
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Yes, knowledge implies a knower.Dontaskme wrote: ↑Fri Dec 15, 2023 2:21 pmI mean knowledge, which implies a knower.bahman wrote: ↑Fri Dec 15, 2023 2:13 pmWhat do you mean?
What do you mean by unknowing known?Dontaskme wrote: ↑Fri Dec 15, 2023 2:06 pm The contrast must appear in this conception as an oxymoron /contradiction / paradoxical phenomena within knowledge, which can only point to the illusory nature of reality. Insofar as knowledge is the only knowing there is, which is this immediate unknowing known.
Meaning!?
Re: Time cannot began to exist
No, you said, " it didn't begin to exist".bahman wrote: ↑Fri Dec 15, 2023 1:49 pmI said began to exist.Harbal wrote: ↑Fri Dec 15, 2023 1:37 pmThe beginning is the point at which something begins, but if that thing does not begin, there was no beginning.bahman wrote: ↑Fri Dec 15, 2023 1:16 pm Let's assume that time began to exist. This means that time didn't exist "before" the point that it exists. This is however incoherent because of "before" unless we accept another time exists. Accepting another time exists however leads to regress. Therefore, time has existed since its beginning and it didn't begin to exist.
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Sorry, I miss "didn't".
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If time is nothing more than a characteristic of matter, and therefore cannot be viewed separately, then time exists as long as matter exists. Moreover, it is not excluded that only in its current form, but before the singularity or in a super-dense state before the "big bang", time could not exist.
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Contrast is white chalk superimposed upon a black board manifesting as a contrast. Or, contrast is black chalk superimposed upon a white board. Nothing in reality would ever be known to show-up without this contrast. Without contrast, there would be either pure blackness or just pure blank light. The contrast must be inseparable to make sense. The mind separates what is inseparable, but needs to do this to make sense of reality. Otherwise there would be nothing showing up on the screen, which is just another word for MIND or CONSCIOUSNESS.
In other words, contrast cannot be separated, they are conjoined twins, they are one and the same reality, inseparably one infinitely for eternity.
Meaning, they cannot have began, nor can they end.
Now while many colours do appear on this pure blank canvas of mind/consciousness, there is only one seer/reader of all these colours, and that seer/reader is without colour. This contrast is how meaning is known, and how sense is made of the senseless.