Trajk Logik wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2023 1:42 am
Age wrote: ↑Tue Jul 18, 2023 5:23 am
Trajk Logik wrote: ↑Mon Jul 17, 2023 6:14 pm
What does it mean for a word, or anything, to mean something?
Words, NOR 'things', do NOT, in and of themselves, mean 'something' NOR even 'anything'. 'you', human beings, place and give 'meaning' TO 'things'.
I NEVER even had AN 'issue' with 'meaning', from the outset. So, the tangent that you have gone on here was completely and utterly UNNECESSARY.
I WAS just EXPLAINING HOW and WHY 'you', human beings, do NOT ACTUALLY KNOW as much as 'they' think 'they' do, but for some reason 'you' went OFF here, where 'you' have.
Which, AGAIN, 'you' are probably NOT FULLY AWARE OF WHY 'you' DID. As I was SAYING, and EXPLAINING, 'you', human beings, do NOT ACTUALLY KNOW as much as 'you' think 'you' do nor even know as much as 'you' would like to think 'you' know.
It is you that is assuming that you know how much any/all humans know/don't know.
Are you here 'TRYING TO' CLAIM that 'you', and "other" human beings, know MORE than 'you' ACTUALLY DO?
Trajk Logik wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2023 1:42 am
Meaning is the relationship between causes and their effects, so meaning can be independent of human beings.
If 'this' is what 'that' MEANS, to 'you', then so be it.
WHO would 'I' be to TELL 'you' what 'things' MEAN?
Trajk Logik wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2023 1:42 am
Okay. So, here we have ANOTHER one who BELIEVES, wholeheartedly, WITHOUT ANY DOUBT AT ALL that 'it' KNOWS HOW some 'thing' works, EXACTLY. And, in this case this one BELIEVES that 'it' KNOWS HOW 'language', itself, works, EXACTLY.
I have been able to carry on a conversation with others and able to get my point across so I do know how language works.[/quote]
Okay, but 'I' do NOT, correct?
Trajk Logik wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2023 1:42 am
Don't know why this is relevant as we can use a car without know how it works, just as we can talk about the differences between women and men without know how language works.
'This' IS RELEVANT BECAUSE it was 'you' who implied that 'you' KNOW how 'language' WORKS but that 'I' did NOT.
And, LOL, in regards to talking ABOUT the DIFFERENCES between 'men' AND 'women', what I have been POINTING OUT, and which 'you', people, here are PROVING, IS that 'you' do NOT ACTUALLY TALK ABOUT the ACTUAL DIFFERENCES BECAUSE WITHIN 'you' ALL 'you' ALL BELIEVE that 'the DIFFERENCES' are just ALREADY KNOWN.
WHICH, I have ALSO BEEN POINTING OUT here, 'you', adult human beings, do NOT ACTUALLY KNOW AS MUCH as 'you' ALL think or BELIEVE 'you' do.
AND, ALL OF 'this has to do WITH HOW the Mind and the brain WORK, EXACTLY. Which, while in the process of EXPLAINING, I AM USING the ACTUAL WRITTEN WORDS, thus the 'THINKING' FROM WITHIN A generation of human beings, to PROVE, IRREFUTABLY, what I WILL BE SAYING, and CLAIMING. Of which PART OF I HAVE ALREADY.
Now, I have SPOKEN and WRITTEN ABOUT the ACTUAL and IRREFUTABLE DIFFERENCE between 'men' AND 'women' here, in this post. What has ANY one of 'you' SAID and WROTE?
Even 'you', "trajik logik", SAID and WROTE:
We each have an idea in our heads of the differences between men an women and the ideas are not made up of words, but are made up of images of various humans and their shapes and functions. Using what we learned in grade school, we can then associate certain scribbles with those images for the purpose of communicating those images to other minds. If we had the images, or pictures of men and wome themselves, we wouldn't need to use words. A picture tells a thousand words. We could see the differences by looking at a picture and not even need to use words at all.
Which FURTHER SHOWS and PROVES that 'you', human beings, THINK 'you' KNOW 'things', BUT when ACTUALLY QUESTIONED and CHALLENGED OVER what is SAID and CLAIMED, FROM the VIEWS, ASSUMPTIONS, and BELIEFS, WITHIN, what can be CLEARLY SHOWN is that 'you', human beings, do NOT ACTUALLY KNOW, FOR SURE, as MUCH as 'you' think NOR BELIEVE 'you' do.
MY QUESTIONING and CHALLENGING, throughout this forum, HAS and IS PROVING 'this' IRREFUTABLY True.
Trajk Logik wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2023 1:42 am
Age wrote: ↑Tue Jul 18, 2023 5:23 am
Trajk Logik wrote: ↑Mon Jul 17, 2023 6:14 pm
We each have an idea in our heads of the differences between men an women and the ideas are not made up of words, but are made up of images of various humans and their shapes and functions. Using what we learned in grade school, we can then associate certain scribbles with those images for the purpose of communicating those images to other minds. If we had the images, or pictures of men and wome themselves, we wouldn't need to use words. A picture tells a thousand words. We could see the differences by looking at a picture and not even need to use words at all.
WHY were you just talking ABOUT 'language', and how CONFIDENT 'you' ARE ABOUT HOW 'language', itself, works, BUT are 'now' talking ABOUT 'men' and 'women', AGAIN?
'you' brought the word 'language', into the discussion here, while 'trying to' imply that 'you' KNOW ALL THERE IS TO KNOW ABOUT 'language' itself. So, I proceeded to just ASK you a CLARIFYING QUESTION, which you JUST ANSWERED, with those three little words. So, that was ALL that was NEEDED here.
BUT, if you REALLY want to talk ABOUT 'men' and 'women', and 'their' DIFFERENCES, AGAIN, then I will REPEAT what I SAID BEFORE:
I have YET to SEE ANY of 'you', people, here explain the DIFFERENCE between 'man' and 'woman' sufficiently, so WAITING for ANY of 'you' to explain the DIFFERENCE between 'masculine' and 'feminine' sufficiently would probably take a lot longer.
Now, I have ASKED this QUESTION BEFORE and I will ASK 'it' AGAIN now, Besides the sexual organs of the human body, after a particular age, are there ANY OTHER ACTUAL DIFFERENCES between 'men' AND 'women'?
If yes, then what are 'they', EXACTLY?
I'm talking about women and men because that is the subject of this thread.
Which IS FAIR ENOUGH. BUT, if you want to BRING IN OTHER 'topics' and MAKE CLAIMS ABOUT 'them', EXACTLY LIKE you DID, then EXPECT to be QUESTIONED and/ or CHALLENGED OVER 'them', and especially BY me.
Trajk Logik wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2023 1:42 am
What I've said before is that the differences are narrow in scope, as you pointed out the sexual characteristics - that is pretty much it, as we are discussing sex in humans when discussing women and men. Other characteristics, like wearing dresses and pants are not differences between men and women as both men and women can wear both pants and dresses and still be men and women. It is a difference in the
expectations of men and women in
certain cultures, not a differences in sex which is independent of culture.
SO, EXACTLY LIKE I WAS 'thinking', 'you' and 'I' ARE, and WERE, IN AGREEMENT. That is; IF 'you' AGREE that besides the sexual organs of the human body there is NOT ANY OTHER ACTUAL DIFFERENCE. Do 'you' AGREE?
If yes, then do 'you' ALSO AGREE that although the sexual organs ARE the ONLY DIFFERENCE, WITHIN there has been some sort of OTHER PERCEIVED 'difference', PREVIOUSLY?
AND, if yes, then what IS 'expected', (FROM or ABOUT "others"), comes ONLY from SOME 'perception', WITHIN, which, when DELVED INTO, is NOT ACTUALLY based upon ANY ACTUAL REAL 'thing', but just ON SOME, ILL-GOTTEN, 'perception', or 'perceived expectation', which, when LOOKED INTO FULLY does NOT even ACTUALLY ALIGN WITH Reality, Itself?
This last CLARIFYING QUESTION is STILL A LONG WAY OFF for MOST of 'you', adult human beings, here, in the days when this is being written.