There is no such ''thing'' as consciousness.Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sun Jun 11, 2023 6:27 pm If you're saying that there is no such "thing" as consciousness, then we diverge there.
Things are objects. Objects are not conscious.
There is no such ''thing'' as consciousness.Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sun Jun 11, 2023 6:27 pm If you're saying that there is no such "thing" as consciousness, then we diverge there.
I agree to whatever extent, however, there is "consciousness". It's "something" we talk about. It's "something" that living beings have (especially humans) but that rocks and inanimate matter presumably don't.Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sun Jun 11, 2023 6:32 pmThere is no such ''thing'' as consciousness.Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sun Jun 11, 2023 6:27 pm If you're saying that there is no such "thing" as consciousness, then we diverge there.
Things are objects. Objects are not conscious.
There is consciousness, but it has no image.Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sun Jun 11, 2023 6:36 pm
I agree to whatever extent, however, there is "consciousness". It's "something" we talk about. It's "something" that living beings have (especially humans) but that rocks and inanimate presumably matter don't.
It will depend on whether the program is told that the data it "learns" from is to be followed, such that the data guides it's priorities, or it is preloaded with priorities such that it prioritizes the value of the data it consumes.
Or they just create something that learns and who knows where it goes.
Well if it's learning in it's own environment (like the optimal way to win at the old video game Breakout), then it can learn the "best" way to accomplish it's goal. If it's learning from data in our environment, it'll conclude the best incoming freshman for the next Harvard class is a rich, white, lacrosse playing legacy named Trevor.Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 8:07 pmOr they just create something that learns and who knows where it goes.
Unless it decides that the best incoming freshman to be converted into petrie-dish filler is a heavier set Latino who loves darts. It could end up deciding some priorities we just didn't expect.LuckyR wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 11:01 pmWell if it's learning in it's own environment (like the optimal way to win at the old video game Breakout), then it can learn the "best" way to accomplish it's goal. If it's learning from data in our environment, it'll conclude the best incoming freshman for the next Harvard class is a rich, white, lacrosse playing legacy named Trevor.Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 8:07 pmOr they just create something that learns and who knows where it goes.
Sure it COULD, but since AI is already used to sort résumés, we already know AI weights future employees into copies of current employees. So if you've had human bias in hiring in the past you'll get future "pass through" bias from an inherently unbiased machine in the future.Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Thu Oct 19, 2023 3:18 amUnless it decides that the best incoming freshman to be converted into petrie-dish filler is a heavier set Latino who loves darts. It could end up deciding some priorities we just didn't expect.LuckyR wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 11:01 pmWell if it's learning in it's own environment (like the optimal way to win at the old video game Breakout), then it can learn the "best" way to accomplish it's goal. If it's learning from data in our environment, it'll conclude the best incoming freshman for the next Harvard class is a rich, white, lacrosse playing legacy named Trevor.Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 8:07 pm
Or they just create something that learns and who knows where it goes.
I guess I'm thinking of more generalized intelligence AIs. One's that are intended to roam more freely or take on a broad range of more opened ended issues and problems. Sorting CVs sounds like a task with a family relationship to chess playing programs. Ask them broad questions, questions from other fields, or even, hey, AI, read the newspapers, pick an issue that interests you and get back to us with your suggestions for solutions,LuckyR wrote: ↑Thu Oct 19, 2023 11:05 pmSure it COULD, but since AI is already used to sort résumés, we already know AI weights future employees into copies of current employees. So if you've had human bias in hiring in the past you'll get future "pass through" bias from an inherently unbiased machine in the future.Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Thu Oct 19, 2023 3:18 amUnless it decides that the best incoming freshman to be converted into petrie-dish filler is a heavier set Latino who loves darts. It could end up deciding some priorities we just didn't expect.LuckyR wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 11:01 pm
Well if it's learning in it's own environment (like the optimal way to win at the old video game Breakout), then it can learn the "best" way to accomplish it's goal. If it's learning from data in our environment, it'll conclude the best incoming freshman for the next Harvard class is a rich, white, lacrosse playing legacy named Trevor.
vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Sat Jun 10, 2023 8:31 am He got off lightly compared to poor Jacinda Ardern
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Missed the lump in the crotchvegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Sat Jun 10, 2023 8:31 am He got off lightly compared to poor Jacinda Ardern
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