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Immanuel Can wrote: Thu Jun 08, 2023 6:58 pm
Peter Kropotkin wrote: Thu Jun 08, 2023 6:38 pm K: acting as if the January 6 coup attempt didn't actually happen?
Have you seen the actual video of the alleged "coup attempt"? :lol:

It's the most tame "coup attempt" you'll ever find. An no "coup" ended up happening. Contrast that with the nights of looting, riots and flames of Baltimore, Kenosha, Portland, Atlanta, LA, Seattle, NY...

But boy, the Dems ride that one hard, because they've got nothing else to work with at all. It's pretty funny, actually.
Here it is, one of the videos released by MSNBC, which is about as far Left as any American station can possibly be. I could give you plenty of others, but most of them were released by people you'll simply insult and dismiss, I expect. But even the very Leftist MSNBC had to admit at least this much.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IOGXkMmtl6I

THIS is what you think is a "riot"? A "coup"? In other vids, you even see security guards opening doors and providing guided tours to the "rioters." Nothing's getting broken, defiled or defaced, nobody gets hurt, there's no savagery or violence inside the building, nobody is kidnapped, nobody is shot or stabbed, nothing burned...

Your Jan. 6th protesters are either the most incompetent "coup" arrangers in history, or they weren't creating any "coup" at all.
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Harbal wrote: Thu Jun 08, 2023 5:39 pmWhen did we actually establish that the ideology of "the Left" is any more shaky than that of the Right?
First, and in your case Harbal, you’d need at least a general background in Left politics snd especially where it intersects politics infused with Marxian praxis. I doubt that you have that background so your references to the Left are not well informed. However, if I am wrong you could easily correct me by citing those Left-Progressive (or Socialist or Communist) whose works you read.

You would also need to have a substantial understanding of Conservative and traditional Liberal political philosophy and to have read on the topic.

Furthermore, you would need to have a tangible background in a strange form of or twist on Marxian praxis that informs Critical Theory generally (that Vegetarian Taxidermy refers to as “Woke”).

You have none of this background. And no interest in getting it. So, on what foundation do your opinions stand? Good question.

I’d say on ‘hearsay’ or what you superficially glean from your environment.

You cannot define what stands to be lost (in a Woke social transformation and through present activism) because you have so little familiarity and understanding of the “values” defined by intelligent Conservative (and traditional Liberal) intellectuals. Of course I base this assertion on much of what you have written in other places).

And because you understand none of this, you cannot understand why radical Left activism especially where it intersects with Marxian Critical Theory is being so strongly resisted. To mount that resistance requires an intelligent and defined platform of valuation. This is outside of your ken.

I will say that it is very much in your own interests to gain that understanding, but you continually assert that you will not make any such effort.
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Alexis Jacobi wrote: Fri Jun 09, 2023 4:56 pm
Harbal wrote: Thu Jun 08, 2023 5:39 pmWhen did we actually establish that the ideology of "the Left" is any more shaky than that of the Right?
First, and in your case Harbal, you’d need at least a general background in Left politics snd especially where it intersects politics infused with Marxian praxis. I doubt that you have that background so your references to the Left are not well informed. However, if I am wrong you could easily correct me by citing those Left-Progressive (or Socialist or Communist) whose works you read.

You would also need to have a substantial understanding of Conservative and traditional Liberal political philosophy and to have read on the topic.

Furthermore, you would need to have a tangible background in a strange form of or twist on Marxian praxis that informs Critical Theory generally (that Vegetarian Taxidermy refers to as “Woke”).

You have none of this background. And no interest in getting it. So, on what foundation do your opinions stand? Good question.

I’d say on ‘hearsay’ or what you superficially glean from your environment.

You cannot define what stands to be lost (in a Woke social transformation and through present activism) because you have so little familiarity and understanding of the “values” defined by intelligent Conservative (and traditional Liberal) intellectuals. Of course I base this assertion on much of what you have written in other places).

And because you understand none of this, you cannot understand why radical Left activism especially where it intersects with Marxian Critical Theory is being so strongly resisted. To mount that resistance requires an intelligent and defined platform of valuation. This is outside of your ken.

I will say that it is very much in your own interests to gain that understanding, but you continually assert that you will not make any such effort.

I intended to read your post, Alexis, but hen I noticed the word, "effort", right at the end, so there didn't seem much point. Lucky I spotted it. 8)
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The truth seeker lays down his modus operandi.
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Immanuel Can wrote: Fri Jun 09, 2023 3:06 pm
So let me ask again, more simply: for you, who is "the Left"? Do they exist or not? If they do, what characteristic(s), in your view, puts somebody among "the Left"?
If you want that question answering, IC, I'm afraid you will have to answer it yourself; as it was your use of the term that started this conversation in the first place. Luckily, you have put the question more simply, so you shouldn't have any trouble understanding it. Let me remind you how it all started:
IC wrote:And this is yet another reason why the Left hates humour, just like they hate concepts like reason, truth, logic, objectivity, science, history, independent judgment, and so on, and damn them all as "oppressive" -- their dogma cannot even stand up even to rudimentary analysis. Thoughtfully considered, it's instantly exposed as stupid. So they don't want any thoughtful consideration, no analysis, no logic or truth employed in relation to it. And irony is another thing they hate, since it also exposes to the public eye the ridiculousness of their dogma. Without irony, humour is limited; without freedom of speech, humour is gagged.

Why do they hate the question, "What is a woman," so much? Because they can't find a way to answer it without exposing their own stupidity and illogic. That's the irony of their position: they claim to love and advocate for "women," and to help people "become women," but can't even say what one is.
So, please, satisfy both our curiosities and reveal who "the Left" consists of. It seems that they are a collective of some kind, who all hate humour, truth, logic,objectivity, science, history and independent judgement. Wow, how lucky were they to find an organisation that caters for exactly that mix of characteristics? :shock: So how did this rather specialised bunch become entitled to be known as "the Left"?

Go ahead whenever you're ready.
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Harbal wrote: Fri Jun 09, 2023 5:46 pm
Immanuel Can wrote: Fri Jun 09, 2023 3:06 pm
So let me ask again, more simply: for you, who is "the Left"? Do they exist or not? If they do, what characteristic(s), in your view, puts somebody among "the Left"?
If you want that question answering, IC, I'm afraid you will have to answer it yourself; as it was your use of the term that started this conversation in the first place.
I did. But then, you objected that I was "lying" about "the Left." :shock: That implies you know what the real "Left" is, and that you can back the claim that this real "Left" does not correspond to what I said.

One cannot "lie" about something that's purely fictional in the first place. :shock: It's not a "lie" to say that there were three bears living in a cottage in "Goldilocks and the Three Bears," even if the thing never happened. But it is possible to argue that bears don't live in houses or eat porridge, or sleep in beds...but only because there are real things called "bears," to which the "lie" or fictive version can be compared.

So what's the real "Left," in your view, against which I have allegedly mounted a slander?

Or is it that you just don't know, so can't say, and your feeling of offense is ungrounded by reference to any coherent conception of "Left" at all?
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Another example of "YOU can't say anything THESE DAYS"!!!

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/BD5kK948kSQ
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Immanuel Can wrote: Fri Jun 09, 2023 7:31 pm
Harbal wrote: Fri Jun 09, 2023 5:46 pm
Immanuel Can wrote: Fri Jun 09, 2023 3:06 pm
So let me ask again, more simply: for you, who is "the Left"? Do they exist or not? If they do, what characteristic(s), in your view, puts somebody among "the Left"?
If you want that question answering, IC, I'm afraid you will have to answer it yourself; as it was your use of the term that started this conversation in the first place.
I did. But then, you objected that I was "lying" about "the Left." :shock: That implies you know what the real "Left" is, and that you can back the claim that this real "Left" does not correspond to what I said.

One cannot "lie" about something that's purely fictional in the first place. :shock: It's not a "lie" to say that there were three bears living in a cottage in "Goldilocks and the Three Bears," even if the thing never happened. But it is possible to argue that bears don't live in houses or eat porridge, or sleep in beds...but only because there are real things called "bears," to which the "lie" or fictive version can be compared.

So what's the real "Left," in your view, against which I have allegedly mounted a slander?

Or is it that you just don't know, so can't say, and your feeling of offense is ungrounded by reference to any coherent conception of "Left" at all?
Odd. When women were fighting for equal rights, safe spaces etc. they were labelled 'the left'. Now that they are fighting to keep them they have mysteriously morphed into 'the right'. All this time I never realised that if you vote for the more socially fair parties then you believe women can have penises, men can breast feed, men can put on a dress and magically become a woman, men only have to say they 'feel' like a woman to 'be' a woman, men must be allowed to lurk in women's toilets because objecting to this is a 'hate crime', women can rape using their 'female penises' and said rapes must be added to women's crime statistics, men who decide that they 'feel' like a woman can compete in women's sports and use the women's changing rooms afterwards....
Anyone who uses the term 'the Left' might as well just say 'I'm an idiot who can't be bothered to think before I open my big,fat stupid mouth'.
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Immanuel Can wrote: Fri Jun 09, 2023 7:31 pm
Harbal wrote: Fri Jun 09, 2023 5:46 pm
Immanuel Can wrote: Fri Jun 09, 2023 3:06 pm
So let me ask again, more simply: for you, who is "the Left"? Do they exist or not? If they do, what characteristic(s), in your view, puts somebody among "the Left"?
If you want that question answering, IC, I'm afraid you will have to answer it yourself; as it was your use of the term that started this conversation in the first place.
I did. But then, you objected that I was "lying" about "the Left." :shock: That implies you know what the real "Left" is, and that you can back the claim that this real "Left" does not correspond to what I said.
I don't know what the real left is, and I didn't mean to imply that I did. You keep coming up with these terms, "the Left", "the real Left", so, presumably, you think they correspond to something that exists, if so, please say what.
So what's the real "Left," in your view, against which I have allegedly mounted a slander?
I don't recall mentioning "the Real Left", and am not aware of any alleged slander in relation to it. You were, however, disparaging towards "the Left", and made numerous allegations, so I am curious to know just who this "the Left" includes. Is it a faction within the left wing of politics, or is it the whole left wing? Is it just people who are active in left wing politics, or does it include everyone who has left wing leanings?
Or is it that you just don't know, so can't say, and your feeling of offense is ungrounded by reference to any coherent conception of "Left" at all?
You appear to be the one who can't say, otherwise I can't see why you haven't already said. And yes, it is the case that I don't know, and can't say, which is why I'm asking you to inform me.
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Sculptor wrote: Fri Jun 09, 2023 8:00 pm Another example of "YOU can't say anything THESE DAYS"!!!

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/BD5kK948kSQ
Still lagging behind I see. Lesbians are not a fashionable protected group. You can say what you like about them. You can even punch elderly ones in the face and crack their skull-- and get applauded for it. You even get a 'person of the year' award for inciting and encouraging this. Lesbians are way out of vogue. The trendy thing now is to be a 'transman'. Lesbians now have to get their breasts lopped off, have testosterone pumped into them, and call themselves 'men' to be in the 'cool club'.
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Sculptor wrote: Fri Jun 09, 2023 8:09 pm AND ANOTHER

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/63gnycUepmY
Just shows how stupid and inconsistent wokies are. You know damn well that fascist wokesom does everything it can to silence anyone who doesn't toe its line.
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vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Fri Jun 09, 2023 8:02 pm When women were fighting for equal rights, safe spaces etc. they were labelled 'the left'. Now that they are fighting to keep them they have mysteriously morphed into 'the right'.
Who says?
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Harbal wrote: Fri Jun 09, 2023 8:07 pm I don't know what the real left is, and I didn't mean to imply that I did.
Okay, I believe you.

But now there's no justice in you being offended by anything anybody says about them. You say you don't even know who's being spoken about.
Or is it that you just don't know, so can't say, and your feeling of offense is ungrounded by reference to any coherent conception of "Left" at all?
You appear to be the one who can't say...
Funny. I already said who I thought they were...and I'm not hesitant to repeat it.

I said: the Cultural Marxists particularly, and also their many 'useful' uninformed followers, hangers on and conformists who do what the CM's tell them, but don't even know what ideology their following with such zombie-like trust. But we can be even more specific: they include the outright Marxists, the self-declared "trained Marxists" that lead groups like BLM, the academics (mostly in the "studies" studies, and in education) who are neo-Marxists, the opportunist business leaders and politicians who see in promoting neo-Marxism the opportunity to bilk and subdue the masses (like the WEF or BlackRock), most of the legacy mass media functionaries (BBC, CNN, CBC...), and the many brainless followers they've fooled and recruited at the popular level, including former leaders in many unions and in public education...I could go on, but there's a nice little list.

So I know what "Left" I'm speaking about. And you'll find that nothing I've said about them isn't verifiably true.
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vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Fri Jun 09, 2023 8:02 pm Odd. When women were fighting for equal rights, safe spaces etc. they were labelled 'the left'.
You bring up an interesting issue. Original feminism (women’s rights and advocacy for more opportunities) arose within Liberalism and liberal society. It is a logical extension of Liberalism’s values when you think about it.

However, in the Sixties militant activists with Marxist proclivities revisioned the male-female relationship though Marxian analysis, and women as a gender-class were recruited to “engage with the struggle” of “oppressed minorities” and former colonials to overthrow the System. Second-wave feminism was intensely politicized, becoming militant and combative.

Not only were these women on the Left, they were on the militant, revolutionary Left.

What is the inner motive of those various manifestations of Critical Theory that (in my view) operate in people like an ideological infection? (Post-1990s).

It is I think hard to say definitely because it is psycho-socially complex. Very hard to put one’s finger on.

How is it, and why is it, that people become unhinged from “sensible” or “centrist” categories is a difficult question to answer.
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