humor and being ''WOKE''

[vegetariantaxidermy]

The dawn of a new age in comedy, if you're 70 or older. Comedians tend ta be like those gentlemen we hear of in the news - armed with automatics and firing ... indiscriminately! You may be put in the uncomfortable situation of laughing at yerself and that too without knowing! Awesome!?

Comedians have favorites when it comes ta targets - religion and politics stand out as easy prey. Political circuses and religious madness after all, oui? What's the common denominator? I believe the OP, Mr. Peter Kropotkin, hit the bullseye on that score. Divine!

What the fuck are you on about? So fed up with the moronic riddles that Aspergers-afflicted dipshits on here spew out. Read it back slowly. Does any of that make sense? Be honest now.

[Agent Smith]

The dawn of a new age in comedy, if you're 70 or older. Comedians tend ta be like those gentlemen we hear of in the news - armed with automatics and firing ... indiscriminately! You may be put in the uncomfortable situation of laughing at yerself and that too without knowing! Awesome!?

Comedians have favorites when it comes ta targets - religion and politics stand out as easy prey. Political circuses and religious madness after all, oui? What's the common denominator? I believe the OP, Mr. Peter Kropotkin, hit the bullseye on that score. Divine!

What the fuck are you on about? So fed up with the moronic riddles that Aspergers-afflicted dipshits on here spew out. Read it back slowly. Does any of that make sense? Be honest now.

[Immanuel Can]

Could you please name some extreme right wing comedians? Of course you won't. There aren't any.

Extreme? Nobody said anything about "extreme." You made that claim up. You'll have to answer it yourself.

I said "conservative." And for what I said, I give you Bill Burr, Nicholas DeSanto, Ricky Gervais, Konstantin Kisin, Tim Allen, Roseanne Barr, the entire staff of The Babylon Bee...and I can give you even more centrist comedians that the Left hates, including Jimmy Carr, Bill Maher, Dave Chappelle and even the Monty Python troupe, who are now being labelled by the Left as anti-trans and pro-colonialist.

How about you name for me the Leftist comedians the centrists and conservatives have censored?

Oh, right. There's pretty much none of those.

[vegetariantaxidermy]

Could you please name some extreme right wing comedians? Of course you won't. There aren't any.

Extreme? Nobody said anything about "extreme." You made that claim up. You'll have to answer it yourself.

I said "conservative." And for what I said, I give you Bill Burr, Nicholas DeSanto, Ricky Gervais, Konstantin Kisin, Tim Allen, Roseanne Barr, the entire staff of The Babylon Bee...and I can give you even more centrist comedians that the Left hates, including Jimmy Carr, Bill Maher, Dave Chappelle and even the Monty Python troupe, who are now being labelled by the Left as anti-trans and pro-colonialist.

How about you name for me the Leftist comedians the centrists and conservatives have censored?

Oh, right. There's pretty much none of those.

As I said, comedy just has to be funny. There are no woke comedians because woke isn't funny. It takes itself soooo seriously. Political extremism of any description is never funny or humourous. People want to hear someone taking the piss out of idiots. I'm not disagreeing. You just really need to stop labelling everything you don't agree with as 'the left'.
Wokism: Hates free speech. Uses children as a political tool. Conducts health-destroying experiments on children. Silences opposition. Is anti-science. Is violently intolerant. Won't settle for anything but total compliance and submission. Hmm.

[Dontaskme]

You really do find the most stupid things to argue about. Arguing just for the sake of it about nothing is a troll trait.

[Immanuel Can]

Could you please name some extreme right wing comedians? Of course you won't. There aren't any.

Extreme? Nobody said anything about "extreme." You made that claim up. You'll have to answer it yourself.

I said "conservative." And for what I said, I give you Bill Burr, Nicholas DeSanto, Ricky Gervais, Konstantin Kisin, Tim Allen, Roseanne Barr, the entire staff of The Babylon Bee...and I can give you even more centrist comedians that the Left hates, including Jimmy Carr, Bill Maher, Dave Chappelle and even the Monty Python troupe, who are now being labelled by the Left as anti-trans and pro-colonialist.

How about you name for me the Leftist comedians the centrists and conservatives have censored?

Oh, right. There's pretty much none of those.

As I said, comedy just has to be funny. There are no woke comedians because woke isn't funny. It takes itself soooo seriously. Political extremism of any description is never funny or humourous. People want to hear someone taking the piss out of idiots. I'm not disagreeing. You just really need to stop labelling everything you don't agree with as 'the left'.

Actually, I don't.

Leftism is simply various versions of Marxism. Wokism is merely low-intellect Cultural Marxism. And the fact that so many who practice it are simply oblivious the more pseudo-intellectual version of their dogma doesn't stop it from being exactly the same dogma.

And this is yet another reason why the Left hates humour, just like they hate concepts like reason, truth, logic, objectivity, science, history, independent judgment, and so on, and damn them all as "oppressive" -- their dogma cannot even stand up even to rudimentary analysis. Thoughtfully considered, it's instantly exposed as stupid. So they don't want any thoughtful consideration, no analysis, no logic or truth employed in relation to it. And irony is another thing they hate, since it also exposes to the public eye the ridiculousness of their dogma. Without irony, humour is limited; without freedom of speech, humour is gagged.

Why do they hate the question, "What is a woman," so much? Because they can't find a way to answer it without exposing their own stupidity and illogic. That's the irony of their position: they claim to love and advocate for "women," and to help people "become women," but can't even say what one is.

[Harbal]

And this is yet another reason why the Left hates humour, just like they hate concepts like reason, truth, logic, objectivity, science, history, independent judgment, and so on, and damn them all as "oppressive" -- their dogma cannot even stand up even to rudimentary analysis. Thoughtfully considered, it's instantly exposed as stupid. So they don't want any thoughtful consideration, no analysis, no logic or truth employed in relation to it. And irony is another thing they hate, since it also exposes to the public eye the ridiculousness of their dogma. Without irony, humour is limited; without freedom of speech, humour is gagged.

Why do they hate the question, "What is a woman," so much? Because they can't find a way to answer it without exposing their own stupidity and illogic. That's the irony of their position: they claim to love and advocate for "women," and to help people "become women," but can't even say what one is.

There is no more an homogeneous clump of people who are "The Left" than there is with any other group. Attitudes and opinions vary within any movement, whether it be Christians, atheists, naturists, stamp collectors, or train enthusiasts. What has someone's political leanings got to do with their sense of humour?

[Immanuel Can]

And this is yet another reason why the Left hates humour, just like they hate concepts like reason, truth, logic, objectivity, science, history, independent judgment, and so on, and damn them all as "oppressive" -- their dogma cannot even stand up even to rudimentary analysis. Thoughtfully considered, it's instantly exposed as stupid. So they don't want any thoughtful consideration, no analysis, no logic or truth employed in relation to it. And irony is another thing they hate, since it also exposes to the public eye the ridiculousness of their dogma. Without irony, humour is limited; without freedom of speech, humour is gagged.

Why do they hate the question, "What is a woman," so much? Because they can't find a way to answer it without exposing their own stupidity and illogic. That's the irony of their position: they claim to love and advocate for "women," and to help people "become women," but can't even say what one is.

There is no more an homogeneous clump of people who are "The Left" than there is with any other group. Attitudes and opinions vary within any movement, whether it be Christians, atheists, naturists, stamp collectors, or train enthusiasts.

Attitudes to all kinds of things not relevant to Wokeness may vary -- what colour of hat to wear, which gender to pretend to be, or where to buy their "lite" beer. But Wokies all do believe certain core things: collectivism, political action, dialectics, historical-progressivism, racism, gender fluidity, big government, hatred of "capitalism," climate crisis, and other such things, most of which they've actually culled from secular gnosticism as filtered to them through Marxism.

What has someone's political leanings got to do with their sense of humour?

Lots, apparently. Apparently, ideologies that are intellectually vulnerable hate being ridiculed. They end up looking foolish, and have nothing to offer in reply.

[Harbal]

What has someone's political leanings got to do with their sense of humour?

Lots, apparently. Apparently, ideologies that are intellectually vulnerable hate being ridiculed. They end up looking foolish, and have nothing to offer in reply.

And don't right wing ideologies that are intellectually vulnerable mind being ridiculed?

[Immanuel Can]

And don't right wing ideologies that are intellectually vulnerable mind being ridiculed?

I don't know what you mean by "right wing." That's an ambiguous term, at best.

Anybody with confidence that their ideology is basically sound can withstand not only being teased, but also being intellectually examined and criticized. It's only those who lack nerve and confidence in their ideology who can't. So censorship is primarily a tool of the Left, since its ideology is so shaky.

A further irony: they call themselves "critically conscious," while they can only direct criticism at others. Criticism of their own beliefs sends them into an absolute panic. Even the Left realizes that open debate serves the conservative interest, because the more moderate conservative side actually has the better arguments. On the conservative or classical liberal side, we need no riots, no burnings no bludgeoning and no bully tactics: free protest is sufficient. Everybody is allowed to speak, even when we disagree with them, and the best arguments are supposed to win. "Deplatforming," "de-voicing" and "silencing" are all coinages and tactics of the Left.

Straw houses can't stand the presence of even a little flame. Brick ones can.

[Harbal]

And don't right wing ideologies that are intellectually vulnerable mind being ridiculed?

I don't know what you mean by "right wing." That's an ambiguous term, at best.

Yes, I agree, and so is "the Left".

Anybody with confidence that their ideology is basically sound can withstand not only being teased, but also being intellectually examined and criticized. It's only those who lack nerve and confidence in their ideology who can't. So censorship is primarily a tool of the Left, since its ideology is so shaky.

When did we actually establish that the ideology of "the Left" is any more shaky than that of the Right?

A further irony: they call themselves "critically conscious," while they can only direct criticism at others. Criticism of their own beliefs sends them into an absolute panic.

When you say they, do you mean absolutely everyone who is of "the Left", and if so, have you conducted a door to door survey, or something?

On the conservative or classical liberal side, we need no riots, no burnings no bludgeoning and no bully tactics: free protest is sufficient. Everybody is allowed to speak, even when we disagree with them, and the best arguments are supposed to win. "Deplatforming," "de-voicing" and "silencing" are all coinages and tactics of the Left.

Main stream socialism is no less civilised than its Conservative counterpart, and both the left and right have extremists who are quite prepared to bludgeon, bully, and riot. Your comments about "the Left" won't cut much ice among thinking people, they are more suitable for addressing the mob.

[Sculptor]

What has someone's political leanings got to do with their sense of humour?

Lots, apparently. Apparently, ideologies that are intellectually vulnerable hate being ridiculed. They end up looking foolish, and have nothing to offer in reply.

And don't right wing ideologies that are intellectually vulnerable mind being ridiculed?

IC is confused.
He is crystal clear, as clear as crystal-nacht, what "left" and leftism is, but he is awfully confused about what is "the right"?
I suppose its no being able to see the wood for the fact that he is one of the trees.

[Sculptor]

Could you please name some extreme right wing comedians? Of course you won't. There aren't any.

Extreme? Nobody said anything about "extreme." You made that claim up. You'll have to answer it yourself.

I said "conservative." And for what I said, I give you Bill Burr, Nicholas DeSanto, Ricky Gervais, Konstantin Kisin, Tim Allen, Roseanne Barr, the entire staff of The Babylon Bee...and I can give you even more centrist comedians that the Left hates, including Jimmy Carr, Bill Maher, Dave Chappelle and even the Monty Python troupe, who are now being labelled by the Left as anti-trans and pro-colonialist.

"The Left" WTF does that mean?
And where is your evidence?

How about you name for me the Leftist comedians the centrists and conservatives have censored?

Oh, right. There's pretty much none of those.

What we tend to see is that every fucking comedian is moaning "you can't say that anymore" whilst saying exactly that which they are saying they cannot say, again and again ad nauseam.

No one is being censored and comedians are going on and on in ever more shocking ways. left and right (if you can find one)
Most of them "punch up", and no one cares so much about that. The only traction complains get is when comedians punch down, and attack vulnerable people. But then most of your people on that list would agree exactly with not taking the piss out of disabled people for example.
Maybe you disagree?
Do you think disability and disease is funny?

[Sculptor]

Here's Ricky Gervais freely saying what "YOU CAN'T SAY THAT ANYMORE"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sR6UeVptzRg

[Dontaskme]

You really do find the most stupid things to argue about. Arguing just for the sake of it about nothing is a troll trait.

By the way, Ms vegetariantaxidermy, just so you know, I love talking about nothing, it's the only thing I know anything about. Unless you tell me there is some other anything I can know about, that is known as something to you that you want me to know. Then just like any child would react to being told there is some other thing besides the nothing I already know anything about. I might just believe you, and then know this something for myself and be all wise in knowing I now know both nothing the only thing I know anything about and something else at the same time because you told me, you said so.

See what I did there, as and through your word, I became a not-knowing knower.