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Kropotkin as an educator....

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(to steal a title from Nietzsche)

Kropotkin as an educator... what exactly does this mean?

so, a couple of things I have read around here...
that Kropotkin's writing is rambling and unfocused...and
Kropotkin shamelessly compares himself to the great
philosophers...

so, let us, for now, focus on those two points...

when I start a post, any post, in my mind, I have a
general direction to go in.. I don't have a specific
ending but I know where I would like to end up....
but as I write, idea's and thoughts pop up in my head...
and so, instead of ignoring them, I follow them...where ever
they lead me...I almost never end up where I want to or
where I think I should have ended up....my endings in
my post are quite often a surprise to me, because I
didn't expect the post to wind up where they do....
I simply follow my train of thought and sees where they go....
I don't censor them or train them to go into a certain direction...
and that is why my post look unfocused... I simply follow
the clues and see where they go... and if that is "unfocused"
so be it....I don't force my thoughts to go into a certain direction...

the second comment is this... some have commented, complained even,
that I have compared myself with the great philosophers...
and I do.... but Kropotkin, that is the height of hubris...
is it?

I use the great philosophers as a goal, a possibility to be reached...
am I great? I have no idea.. but my drive is to become as great...
the great philosophers are a goal that I use to strive for...
as long as I am striving for greatness, I am not going to
rest on my laurels..... I am attempting to achieve greatness
with every single post...whither I make it or not, who knows?
but the effort is what matters...

to say this another way, I am in competition with the great
philosophers... and I am trying to reach the stars with
my philosophy...will I succeed? I certainly won't know...
I am writing for people who haven't even been born yet...
for few today have ears to hear what I am saying..
and that is ok....reaching up in my philosophy,
and not settling or just spending my time criticizing
others for their philosophical flaws... that is a waste of my time....

or as I heard it said once....

those who do philosophy, do philosophy...

those who can't do philosophy, teach philosophy

and those who can't do and can't teach philosophy,
spend their time as critics of philosophers...

I do and others critique...

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Peter Kropotkin wrote: Mon Jun 05, 2023 5:23 pm Kropotkin as an educator....

What precisely is it about U USAdians?

You want to be so big, and great about something--- but you are generally SHIT at everything.

Take iambiguous for example - taking over threads as if we here on PHN forum want to see some dumbfuk USAdian that thinks he's got something worthy to say, PASTE comments from websites where some qualified person has made a point, and that makes his drivel worth reading.

(Like we all want to know what IAMABIGTWAT has to say all over the forum)
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attofishpi wrote: Mon Jun 05, 2023 5:59 pm
Peter Kropotkin wrote: Mon Jun 05, 2023 5:23 pm Kropotkin as an educator....

What precisely is it about U USAdians?

You want to be so big, and great about something--- but you are generally SHIT at everything.

Take iambiguous for example - taking over threads as if we here on PHN forum want to see some dumbfuk USAdian that thinks he's got something worthy to say, PASTE comments from websites where some qualified person has made a point, and that makes his drivel worth reading.

(Like we all want to know what IAMABIGTWAT has to say all over the forum)
K: those who can hear and those who can see and those who
can understand, will do so, those who are unable to see, hear
or understand, will continue to be blind, deaf and dumb...

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Peter Kropotkin wrote: Mon Jun 05, 2023 5:23 pm and those who can't do and can't teach philosophy,
spend their time as critics of philosophers...

I do and others critique...
Actually, my posts in response to your posts have included exploration, assertions and not just critique. IOW philosophy. The philosophers you aspire to be like, the ones you mention, all had long periods of interaction with peers. IOW they had complicated interactions with other philosophers or students of philosophy. What you have, when people respond to your posts, is an opportunity to engage with other minds and hone your skills, co-explore, become aware of weaknesses and learn how to strengthen yourself in those areas. IOW if your goals are greatness, you could use these interactions. Doing philosophy is a lot more complicated than keeping a though diary. There are many other activities within that.

As always you try to frame the issue in a way that means that anyone criticizing you has a problem or isn't a real philosopher.

The result, you avoid once again interacting with others.

Is it possible that your problems interacting with others on the interpersonal social plane have led to a habit in the way you develop philosophical skills?

If you really want to be great, I think it incredibly likely that actually interacting with other people's ideas in a discussion, including interacting with criticism would be incredibly useful. We all have blind spots, make assumptions that are hard for us to see and what is clear in our own heads and even on paper or a screen is often not clear to others. And the great philosophers were always master communicators. Yes, they could be hard to understand, not all of them, but certainly many. However that was mainly due to the alienness of the concepts they were creating.

But if you want to making excuses for not interacting with others here, obviously that's your right and well within your power to manage.

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Peter Kropotkin wrote: Mon Jun 05, 2023 6:29 pm
attofishpi wrote: Mon Jun 05, 2023 5:59 pm
Peter Kropotkin wrote: Mon Jun 05, 2023 5:23 pm Kropotkin as an educator....

What precisely is it about U USAdians?

You want to be so big, and great about something--- but you are generally SHIT at everything.

Take iambiguous for example - taking over threads as if we here on PHN forum want to see some dumbfuk USAdian that thinks he's got something worthy to say, PASTE comments from websites where some qualified person has made a point, and that makes his drivel worth reading.

(Like we all want to know what IAMABIGTWAT has to say all over the forum)
K: those who can hear and those who can see and those who
can understand, will do so, those who are unable to see, hear
or understand, will continue to be blind, deaf and dumb...

Kropotkin
So you are one of the 'special' USAdians? (that the rest of the normal world don't see as fucking dumb)
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attofishpi wrote: Mon Jun 05, 2023 6:41 pm
Peter Kropotkin wrote: Mon Jun 05, 2023 6:29 pm
attofishpi wrote: Mon Jun 05, 2023 5:59 pm


What precisely is it about U USAdians?

You want to be so big, and great about something--- but you are generally SHIT at everything.

Take iambiguous for example - taking over threads as if we here on PHN forum want to see some dumbfuk USAdian that thinks he's got something worthy to say, PASTE comments from websites where some qualified person has made a point, and that makes his drivel worth reading.

(Like we all want to know what IAMABIGTWAT has to say all over the forum)
K: those who can hear and those who can see and those who
can understand, will do so, those who are unable to see, hear
or understand, will continue to be blind, deaf and dumb...

Kropotkin
So you are one of the 'special' USAdians?
K: actually, my comment was more about you, than it
was about me..

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Peter Kropotkin wrote: Mon Jun 05, 2023 6:42 pm
attofishpi wrote: Mon Jun 05, 2023 6:41 pm
Peter Kropotkin wrote: Mon Jun 05, 2023 6:29 pm

K: those who can hear and those who can see and those who
can understand, will do so, those who are unable to see, hear
or understand, will continue to be blind, deaf and dumb...

Kropotkin
So you are one of the 'special' USAdians?
K: actually, my comment was more about you, than it
was about me..

Kropotkin
..am I a special USAdian? ...or do you normally just take the piss out of deaf, dumb and blind people?
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what does it mean to be human?

is working our entire adult lives as slaves, really
what it means to be human? to have the only goals
of existence, the goals of money, fame, material possessions,
titles, and power? what does it mean to have an existence?
and ''What are we/I am supposed to do?" or ''what should I/we believe in"
or ''What should I/we hope for?" ...

what is the point of existence? and it seems to be clear, crystal clear
that few if any around here have actually given this any thought...

what is it that I/we are supposed to be doing as human beings?
what actions define us as human beings? what thoughts/beliefs
define us as human beings? What are we supposed to
be doing with our lives? Have any of you even questioned what
it means to be human? Have you even questioned what we are supposed to
be doing with our lives? Or have you just given up and just criticized
everything that Kropotkin writes because you have nothing better to
say or do?

Now some will say, but Kropotkin, what is it that we are supposed to
be doing with our lives? as usual, my answer is, first of all, we
must understand that there is a problem and define that problem
and until we do that, it doesn't matter what solutions I create...

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attofishpi wrote: Mon Jun 05, 2023 6:48 pm
Peter Kropotkin wrote: Mon Jun 05, 2023 6:42 pm
attofishpi wrote: Mon Jun 05, 2023 6:41 pm

So you are one of the 'special' USAdians?
K: actually, my comment was more about you, than it
was about me..

Kropotkin
..am I a special USAdian? ...or do you normally just take the piss out of deaf, dumb and blind people?
K: In fact, I am legally deaf......

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Peter Kropotkin wrote: Mon Jun 05, 2023 6:55 pm
attofishpi wrote: Mon Jun 05, 2023 6:48 pm
Peter Kropotkin wrote: Mon Jun 05, 2023 6:42 pm

K: actually, my comment was more about you, than it
was about me..

Kropotkin
..am I a special USAdian? ...or do you normally just take the piss out of deaf, dumb and blind people?
K: In fact, I am legally deaf......

Kropotkin
Well that sounds like only partially deaf. It doesn't make up for appearing entirely dumb.

Ive gotta go to bed, so for at least 6 hrs you can try at least to show some semblance of intelligence beyond that of atto.
..but when I wake up...well..
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attofishpi wrote: Mon Jun 05, 2023 7:00 pm
Peter Kropotkin wrote: Mon Jun 05, 2023 6:55 pm
attofishpi wrote: Mon Jun 05, 2023 6:48 pm

..am I a special USAdian? ...or do you normally just take the piss out of deaf, dumb and blind people?
K: In fact, I am legally deaf......

Kropotkin
Well that sounds like only partially deaf. It doesn't make up for appearing entirely dumb.

K: legally deaf is just that, legally deaf... I can't be any plainer than that...
and as far as appearing "dumb" that was a play on words that you missed..

hearing is not done with just the ears and seeing is not done with
just the eyes, and understanding is not done with just the head.....
You can "hear" something and still not understand what it means,
where a deaf person like me, can not only "hear" it but
understand it......

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Typical narcissistic, self-absorbed, conceited, up-yourself, oblivious wokie. You are all the same.
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Peter Kropotkin wrote: Mon Jun 05, 2023 6:55 pm

K: In fact, I am legally deaf......

Kropotkin
I'm glad to hear it, Kropotkin; we don't want you breaking the law. I SAID WE DON'T WANT YOU BREAKING THE LAW.
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Harbal wrote: Mon Jun 05, 2023 7:43 pm
Peter Kropotkin wrote: Mon Jun 05, 2023 6:55 pm

K: In fact, I am legally deaf......

Kropotkin
I'm glad to hear it, Kropotkin; we don't want you breaking the law. I SAID WE DON'T WANT YOU BREAKING THE LAW.
K: I have no idea what you are talking about... and I am glad
you enjoy making fun of the deaf... you mother must be very proud
of you

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If we accept the motif of the existentialist,
that we human beings are homeless.. having lost
the values that create a sense of home, god,
family, nation, and a stable society..
what can we do to recover or
return to a state of being home?

I am not sure that we can go home again,
and I am not sure that we want to go home....

if we accept that the universe is not the place
we think it to be, a safe, loving, hopeful place...
that caters to our values and beliefs....

a universe that in fact doesn't know or CARE that
we exists, a universe whereas the most important
aspect lies in the random, chance aspect of existence...
that we human beings are here due to the random,
chance nature of the universe... that human beings,
indeed, all of life exists, due to it being random, a probability,
not a certainty...

that we humans are here due to the random nature
of existence, must become part of who we are..
and part of what we think of ourselves....
there is no certainty in our existence, we must
become fluent in chance... in most conversations,
when asked, what are you doing? the answer implies,
unless something changes, that some random, chance
event occurs, I will be eating at a restaurant tonight....
but the fact is, that we must speak not as chance,
the random nature of the universe rarely ever shows
around us, that chance is, and being random is an
essential aspect of being human.... we are no longer
at home in the solid, steady, known existence..
that the fact is that our day to day, indeed our
minute to minute existence can be impacted at
any second by some random, chance event or person..
and there is no defense against that...
it must become part of our essential knowledge
of who we are and what we human beings are facing....
in every second, can chance and a random event impact
our lives.... that idea is what makes our existence become
more than ''just more of the same" we have value
now because chance can impact and even destroy our
lives at any second...
we find our meaning in the knowledge that in every second can
be impacted by chance and a random events...

Kropotkin
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